What shortgage 421,306 homes built in a single year in france!

cells

ging84 wrote: »

1991 191,020
1992 179,100
1993 185,650
1994 193,000
1995 199,120
1996 189,030
1997 191,110
1998 181,020
1999 181,990
2000 176,850
2001 174,080
2002 181,960
2003 190,490
2004 203,490
2005 209,580
2006 212,820
2007 226,420
2008 188,250
2009 158,370
2010 137,260
2011 141,180
2012 143,580

i wonder what the next 2 years will look like

It is easier to note it by decade

Over the last 10 years the uk built 1.8 million while France built 4.0 million

The 10 years before that the uk again had built about 1.8m and Franceagain built a lot more

cells

Dunroamin wrote: »

Whatever gave you the idea that New Labour ws a left wing party?

The loony right part said they were

cells

Dunroamin wrote: »

Spain is larger than both the UK and Germany!

The post was about the size of the population not the size of the land mass

ging84

1953-1962 3,101,920
1963-1972 3,755,410
1973-1982 2,717,260
1983-1992 2,116,120
1993-2002 1,853,810
2003-2013 1,811,440


almost no different to what we built in the last 10 years to the previous 10

cells

martinsurrey wrote: »

http://www.frenchpropertycentre.com/property/aml-13317ds/
although existing house prices would plummet.

Not likely

France built 4.0 million vs 1.8 million in the uk over the last ten years however prices still increased in France.

If the Uk built 350-450k a year imo nominal prices would go up less than wage inflation and perhaps stay static.

In twenty years they could just marginally be up but vs wages be fifty percent lower

cells

ging84 wrote: »

1953-1962 3,101,920
1963-1972 3,755,410
1973-1982 2,717,260
1983-1992 2,116,120
1993-2002 1,853,810
2003-2013 1,811,440


almost no different to what we built in the last 10 years to the previous 10

Thank you

If it isn't too much trouble could you please also add to that the population increase for those twn year periods. Data available via Google just type uk population ahould show up as a graph. On my phone so I can't do it

ging84

that'll take for ever to read them all off a graph

wikpedia's table shows totals at start of decade and annual increase in population

1951!–!1961 50,225,000.00 258,000.00
1961!–!1971 52,807,000.00 312,000.00
1971!–!1981 55,928,000.00 42,000.00
1981!–!1991 56,357,000.00 108,000.00
1991!–!2001 57,439,000.00 161,000.00
2001!–!2008 59,113,000.00 324,000.00

i get your point 1 or 2 more people in this decade than the last one

martinsurrey

cells wrote: »

Not likely

France built 4.0 million vs 1.8 million in the uk over the last ten years however prices still increased in France.

If the Uk built 350-450k a year imo nominal prices would go up less than wage inflation and perhaps stay static.

In twenty years they could just marginally be up but vs wages be fifty percent lower

thing is that 10 years ago French prices were based on liberal planning and are still based on liberal planning, so house are more priced to build cost (+location premium).

so 10 years ago a build plot in France was £10k and a build cost of £70k, and a resale of £90k (not much premium as planning is very easy so not hard to self build), now, land cost of £12k build cost of £85k and a resale of £105k so prices increase but inline with underlying assets.

UK going from planning strangle hold to a more liberal system would slash the planning premium (the increase in value added by planning permission) reducing prices.

Now in UK build plot costs £250k (example for a smallish plot see below) build costs £150k resale £450k, in 10 years time, after land reform build plot £30k build cost £180k resale £250-300k, why would you pay more if self building was easy?

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27165741.html

theEnd

I still think it's more to do with finance than planning permission.

Expand the money supply and land prices go up.

vivatifosi

theEnd wrote: »

I still think it's more to do with finance than planning permission.

Expand the money supply and land prices go up.

I don't think there is just one issue affecting. I think planning is an issue, cost and finance are also issues. For me though a very big issue is that nobody thinks outside the box in terms of house design. For example, why not design housing specifically for flood plains? Why not encourage self build? Why not enable more mobile homes? Why not affordable micro housing in London? Other countries are quite capable of doing this but we spend year after year getting our proverbial knickers in a twist rather than learn from the successes and mistakes of elsewhere.