What shortgage 421,306 homes built in a single year in france!

ukcarper

Are blocks of flats built specifically for rental in France it seems to me almost all building in the UK is for sale whether its owner occupiers or BTL.

Dunroamin

Perhaps every country should be more pro active in dealing with its empty properties as well as embarking on a building programmes?

"France Inter radio, 17 September 2012. C!cile Duflot, the French Minister for Housing and a guest on Patrick Cohen’s morning radio show “Le 7/9”, replies to a question from Christian, a listener. “We estimate the number of vacant properties to be between one and two million”, she says. In this context, “vacant” means available for renting but unrented."

92203

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well, land mass is an obvious point. They have far more of it, so I would assume the density of their land isn't quite the issue ours is.

Apart from that, I don't know. Certainly interesting and certainly wipes out some of the "banks wont lend so builders wont build" arguments, as I believe lending in France was even tighter than here.

Only 9% of the land in the UK is actually built on though. Apparently we have a similar population density to that of Germany, so building adequate housing to accommodate this should not be an issue.

ukcarper

92203 wrote: »

Only 9% of the land in the UK is actually built on though. Apparently we have a similar population density to that of Germany, so building adequate housing to accommodate this should not be an issue.

UK has slightly higher population density that Germany but England has a much higher population density.

cells

martinsurrey wrote: »

why would you pay more if self buold was cheaper

Because once you lift the overburden of planing rules and regulations and extra taxation on new builds you don't instantly alleviate the shortage.

It would take over twenty-thirty years to aproach French/German homes per capita

cells

Dunroamin wrote: »

Perhaps every country should be more pro active in dealing with its empty properties as well as embarking on a building programmes?

"France Inter radio, 17 September 2012. C!cile Duflot, the French Minister for Housing and a guest on Patrick Cohen’s morning radio show “Le 7/9”, replies to a question from Christian, a listener. “We estimate the number of vacant properties to be between one and two million”, she says. In this context, “vacant” means available for renting but unrented."

Go to a pet store and buy a red herring

cells

vivatifosi wrote: »

I don't think there is just one issue affecting. I think planning is an issue, cost and finance are also issues. For me though a very big issue is that nobody thinks outside the box in terms of house design. For example, why not design housing specifically for flood plains? Why not encourage self build? Why not enable more mobile homes? Why not affordable micro housing in London? Other countries are quite capable of doing this but we spend year after year getting our proverbial knickers in a twist rather than learn from the successes and mistakes of elsewhere.

The solution people like are large homes. Terrace semi detached or flats doesn't matter so much if its a good 120sqm people arw very happy. Germany and France already build half theor new homes larger than 120sqm

We build only 70-80sqm and again it is government policy. As such we are rightfully unhappy with our new built homes.

Micro homes or mobile homes or caravans are not the solution to the cause of the problem they are a fudge to work around the problem. Homes are only expensive becuase of government policy we dont need to build snaller to tey save money we need to change policy. New build prices in france and germany are close to £1k per sqm while in tbe uk they are closer to £2.5k its all down to policy as both wages and materials are virtually the same in all three nations

antrobus

ukcarper wrote: »

UK has slightly higher population density that Germany but England has a much higher population density.

The World Bank says the UK has 259 people per km2, Germany 235. I have no doubt that the population density in England is higher than either of these numbers, but then it's the Federal Republic of Germany, and so there would be some variation across the constituent republics. Say, for example, North Rhine-Westphalia at 527 inhabitants per square km; compared to about 400 for England.

ukcarper

antrobus wrote: »

The World Bank says the UK has 259 people per km2, Germany 235. I have no doubt that the population density in England is higher than either of these numbers, but then it's the Federal Republic of Germany, and so there would be some variation across the constituent republics. Say, for example, North Rhine-Westphalia at 527 inhabitants per square km; compared to about 400 for England.

What is it for the South East population density figures for a whole country are not relevant it's about density in areas where property is needed.

Surrey for instance 683

Dunroamin

cells wrote: »

Go to a pet store and buy a red herring

Ha bloody ha!

Whilst we need more housing, the less of the country we concrete over, the better.