Energy bill hikes to last 17 more years - watchdog

grizzly1911

wotsthat wrote: »

I don't look at energy saving in this rather over-simplistic way.

I need a new dishwasher. A new one might cost, say, £250 and save 10p per wash. I don't think it's not worth it because it'll take 7 years to 'pay for itself'. I need a new one anyway so instead I'd look at the cost difference of buying a super energy efficient one and one that's less efficient and work out that payback instead.

Doing the same calculations on a new boiler as well.

The dishwasher will be used until it drops. The energy savings on a new boiler are sufficient that the current boiler is scrapped despite being perfectly serviceable.

I agree with you.

"It does indeed make sense to upgrade, if it can be afforded, when items fail. " #24

grizzly1911

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Deary me, griz. *shakes head in dismay*

Anyway, getting back to the energy price rises topic anyone? The usual suspects are trying to disrupt it, but hopefully we can get it back on track.

I thought the purpose of the post was to let us know how wise you are?

"We're about to fit double glazing to our house at a cost of nearly £30k. With energy prices constantly rising, it won't be long before the windows pay for themselves"

MFW_ASAP

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Errr, why didn't you do the windows before the rest of the stuff you have done then?!

Surely you have wasted all your energy efficient installs so far if your windows have gaps in them letting in drafts?!

You've spent time and lots of money insulating the walls, while sitting there with gaps letting drafts and moisture into the house?!

As one once said... *Shakes head in dismay*

Oh dear, you're rushing in to try and score points but making yourself look a bit desperate and silly.

I live in a listed building, I therefore need listed building consent to replace the windows. I don't need listed building consent to fit loft insulation. So while I was doing the research on the windows and seeking listed building consent, I fitted the insulation. It's not rocket science is it Graham?

You are also showing your ignorance in building technology. Almost all moisture in a house is caused not by drafts bring in water from the outside (LOL at the idea of that), but internal vapour from baths/showers, cooking, breathing, etc. Condensation is caused when this water vapour hits a cold bridge (walls, ceilings and windows). To prevent this happening, you remove the cold spots by insulating them. The vapour cannot condense and therefore exits the house via ventilation (trickle vents in windows, etc.)

Deary me, *shakes head in dismay at Graham's point scoring desperation and wonders how long it will be before Graham is crying on the boards again saying people are picking on him and point scoring'*.:rotfl:

MFW_ASAP

grizzly1911 wrote: »

I thought the purpose of the post was to let us know how wise you are?

"We're about to fit double glazing to our house at a cost of nearly £30k. With energy prices constantly rising, it won't be long before the windows pay for themselves"

Well, as you said:

grizzly1911 wrote: »

It is up to you how you want to interpret it.

You initially interpreted my post (as did everyone else) as a discussion about energy price rises and energy efficiencies. You started to concentrate on my windows once I picked apart your arguments on energy efficiency. We can all see what you are up to - you're as transparent as my new windows. :rotfl:

Graham_Devon

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Oh dear, you're rushing in to try and score points but making yourself look a bit desperate and silly.

I live in a listed building, I therefore need listed building consent to replace the windows. I don't need listed building consent to fit loft insulation.

I didn't say you did.

After all your laughing....I was talking about your walls, not the loft.

You even had pictures up on here under one of your previous usernames of you doing this work - remember? Which seems bizzare, as you certainly had hammers and chisels on the go in your listed house.

You are probably simply tying yourself in knots though, which is completely understandable considering your posting history and multiple names.

MFW_ASAP

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I didn't say you did.

After all your laughing....I was talking about your walls, not the loft.

You even had pictures up on here under one of your previous usernames of you doing this work - remember? Which seems bizzare, as you certainly had hammers and chisels on the go in your listed house.

I'm laughing because you're dashing in with your accusations and brushing your nails on your chest at your wit when a smarter person would have simply just asked the question "Why are you fitting wall insulation (and ceiling/floor void insulation and loft insulation, before you do your windows?"

I would have responded (to this smarter person) "Because we have to get listed building consent for the windows, plus I had to research the correct style/type/material for the age of the building. We didn't have to get listed building consent to remove the gypsum plasterboard off the walls and replace it with sheepwool/wood fibre board and lime plaster, we didn't need to get listed building consent to remove gypsum plaster from the ceilings and replace it with sheepswool and lime plaster, we didn't need listed building consent to fit rockwool in the loft.

For information you need to google 'gypsum plasterboard' to see why this is not an appropriate material for a house build in the 1700s and why the listed building officer was glad to see with back of it and therefore didn't require us to have LBC to remove it.

Next?

Graham_Devon

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

I'm laughing because you're dashing in with your accusations and brushing your nails on your chest at your wit when a smarter person would have simply just asked the question "Why are you fitting wall insulation (and ceiling/floor void insulation and loft insulation, before you do your windows?"

I would have responded (to this smarter person) "Because we have to get listed building consent for the windows, plus I had to research the correct style/type/material for the age of the building. We didn't have to get listed building consent to remove the gypsum plasterboard off the walls and replace it with sheepwool/wood fibre board and lime plaster, we didn't need to get listed building consent to remove gypsum plaster from the ceilings and replace it with sheepswool and lime plaster, we didn't need listed building consent to fit rockwool in the loft.

For information you need to google 'gypsum plasterboard' to see why this is not an appropriate material for a house build in the 1700s and why the listed building officer was glad to see with back of it and therefore didn't require us to have LBC to remove it.

Next?

And it's taken you how long to get consent? Bear in mind I actually do know some stuff about listed buildings, and know it doesn't take nearly 4 years to get consent to replace the windows. I've done it. In the last year.

MFW_ASAP

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And it's taken you how long to get consent? Bear in mind I actually do know some stuff about listed buildings, and know it doesn't take nearly 4 years to get consent to replace the windows. I've done it. In the last year.

You keep digging a hole Graham....you keep looking desperate to score points... you keep failing....

In the first couple of years we concentrated on converting a stable into a 'granny annexe' for my parents to live in. We got listed building consent to take the roof off, dig out the concrete floor slab and replace the doors and windows. We fitted an insulated limecrete floorslab with underfloor heating pipes. We battened out all of the walls and fitted sheepswool and woodwool boards, we fitted a 'warm roof' with building regulation thickness insulation, we fitted internal walls, a new bathroom, bedroom, kitchen, doors and windows. All the walls were plastered with hemp lime plaster.

We also had the roof on the main house stripped and turned into a 'warm roof' while we were at it seeing as we have the roofers already working on the annexe. Our roof changes were on the same Listed Building form as the annexe changes.

The Listed building consent for the windows was submitted later and took 18 months from start to finish because we were in consultation with the local council over the types of materials we were allowed to use. We were knocked back several times and we were lucky to be allowed to have double glazing as often it's not allowed in listed buildings. We received permission a couple of months back and I have been arranging additional borrowing on my mortgage and sorting out an installation date with the windows supplier in that time.

While wrangling with the LBO over the windows we were allowed to proceed with the other improvements and so we did.

Next.

p.s. just before you dig another hole. As you know from your experience of listed building consents (LOL), they are only valid for 3 years. We therefore didn't submit the windows on the original listed building consent because with extensive work we were planning to do on the annexe, we didn't think that we'd have the windows fitted before the 3 years had expired.

As I said... Next.


hmnnn, Graham has gone quiet. Perhaps he's on another thread crying about how people pick on him and how mean they are and how they are just on here to score points against him and not discuss the items raised in his threads. :rotfl:

kabayiri

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

It costs mega bucks because they usually dig into the side of a mountain, dig underneath an old barn (supporting it with girders) or build underneath the world's largest tile-based arch.

They also have to have designer kitchens and bathrooms and a massive footprint.

If people are struggling with their bills, then I'd advocate checking their insulation levels before worrying about zonal heating and energy reclamation systems (whatever those are). Insulation is subsidized by the energy companies, and often comes with a free installation service. In our previous house (4 bed detached), we had cavity wall insulation fitted by British Gas for £250 and we weren't even BG customers.

Don't forget to lag above the loft hatch. Then look at draft proofing the letter box and under the doors.

Anecdotal only, but :

- at Kab Towers (a small holding probably compared to MFW palace!) we have installed LED lighting throughout the ground floor; fitted a remote controllable and monitorable heating system; chosen A rated appliances; gone for that silly K glass with triple glazing in some cases; bought the most efficient gas fire I could find; used Kingspan in all new walls; insulated under the floor...

The bills still seem to rise.

The answer is simple - get you or your other half to work for an energy provider then you can pay out of gross income !

grizzly1911

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Well, as you said:



You initially interpreted my post (as did everyone else) as a discussion about energy price rises and energy efficiencies. You started to concentrate on my windows once I picked apart your arguments on energy efficiency. We can all see what you are up to - you're as transparent as my new windows. :rotfl:

You didn't pick apart any argument .

As part of your energy efficiency drive you suggested that you are having replacement windows and that it "won't be long before the windows pay for themselves".

I merely questioned that assumption on energy efficiency savings.

If something needs replacing by all means take the best upgrade. By all means do what you can to insulate and save. We have and do.

In doing so I also acknowledge that part of that cost is actually paying for a product that we need. The fact it has energy saving benefits is a plus. I wouldn't say that I expect my new dishwasher to pay for itself with it's energy saving capability.

Do many people get murdered in bed up your neck of the woods or is that another statement for dramatic effect? It is no doubt a benefit but not on energy efficiency grounds. You should become a benefit realisation manager for HS2 bringing things like that into play.