Bullying taken a frightening twist

Tryingagainandagain

jackieblack wrote: »

It seems incredibly unfair, and open to potential malicious misuse/abuse, that something that requires no proof should have such far reaching/long lasting consequences :eek:

(Just in general, not about this thread or your, or anyone elses, specific situation)

It's a harassment warning, not an order, and is designed to nip any harassment in the bud before it gets so serious as to merit prosecution.

Some people simply don't understand that their actions amount to harassment (ex-boyfriends/girlfriends continuing to contact etc - they may think that because they are being "friendly" it is okay) Sometimes a warning stops the problem, which is often more comfortable for the victim than a court process.

I'm not sure what evidence the police need, but it is probably similar to the old caution where the perpetrator has to admit the offending. In that case it would be recorded on PNC, but does not have the status of a criminal offence.

As you say, anything else would be unfair and unlawful.



Police may be able to issue a harassment warning to this person, but it may not be available as he is legally a child.

I agree that they should have acted. It may be the case that the school asked to deal with a "first offence" rather than bring the boy into the police process. Or it may be the case that they were idle beggars.

I hope the meeting with police goes well.

As for home schooling, what does your daughter feel about this, OP. So many of the remedies (isolation at school, leaving school) can feel like punishments, particularly as she is especially sensitive now.

To the person who suggested a confrontation - no.
How can they complain of bullying if they are prepared to act in the same way?

Sparklyfairy

jackieblack wrote: »

It seems incredibly unfair, and open to potential malicious misuse/abuse, that something that requires no proof should have such far reaching/long lasting consequences :eek:

I know - that's the downside. Anyone can basically pull something out of the air & demand a Harassment Warning on someone & it'll be on the police records for life. BUT, in this instance I don't think the op has anything to lose by demanding one.

Sparklyfairy

Sorry - I stand corrected - it's a Harassment WARNING, not Order, thank you tryingagainandagain!

Original post of mine now changed.

Sparklyfairy

Tryingagainandagain wrote: »

I'm not sure what evidence the police need, but it is probably similar to the old caution where the perpetrator has to admit the offending. In that case it would be recorded on PNC, but does not have the status of a criminal offence.

Police may be able to issue a harassment warning to this person, but it may not be available as he is legally a child.

The police need NO EVIDENCE. I JUST went through this in July. It is on their police record PERMANENTLY.

The lad I had the harassment warning issued to was 14. Still legally a child & YES they can be issued to them!

jackieblack

Sparklyfairy wrote: »

The police need NO EVIDENCE. I JUST went through this in July. It is on their police record PERMANENTLY.

The lad I had the harassment warning issued to was 14. Still legally a child & YES they can be issued to them!

I'm horrified and appalled that this can happen with no evidence.
I thought in this country we were presumed innocent until proven guilty.

If no evidence or admission of guilt from the 'offender' is required, this is wide open to malicious abuse :eek:

rpc

jackieblack wrote: »

I'm horrified and appalled that this can happen with no evidence.
I thought in this country we were presumed innocent until proven guilty.

If no evidence or admission of guilt from the 'offender' is required, this is wide open to malicious abuse :eek:

You need to understand the difference between the criminal record and the police records.

An arrest, even if later released with NFA, will be recorded and stay there until the record is thinned.

The use of this information is very limited. I assume it can be used in later criminal proceedings, but it is also the sort of information that could be released on an Enhanced Disclosure or PVG Scheme Record.

jackieblack

rpc wrote: »

You need to understand the difference between the criminal record and the police records.

An arrest, even if later released with NFA, will be recorded and stay there until the record is thinned.

The use of this information is very limited. I assume it can be used in later criminal proceedings, but it is also the sort of information that could be released on an Enhanced Disclosure or PVG Scheme Record.

But the fact that something that might prevent you getting a particular job years later can just be issued without any sort of evidence/admission/right of appeal just because (for example) a malicious ex wanted to cause you trouble really shocks me.

I could understand if it had a 'shelf life' of maybe 6 months or a year and then, if there was no evidence of any behaviour of this type in this time, it expired.

itsanne

jackieblack wrote: »

But the fact that something that might prevent you getting a particular job years later can just be issued without any sort of evidence/admission/right of appeal just because (for example) a malicious ex wanted to cause you trouble really shocks me.

I could understand if it had a 'shelf life' of maybe 6 months or a year and then, if there was no evidence of any behaviour of this type in this time, it expired.

I agree with you on this. I'm appalled if it's correct.

reeree

angelsmomma wrote: »

What you actually think is not backed up by research though it is just your opinion. Do you work in a school?

I agree, as meritaten said l home schooled my grandson from when he was 14 l wasn't confident at all at first but it all fell into place, since starting college he has gone on to gain many qualifications and we were told by his tutor that he and another student were the most talented in the class so l don't feel that taking him out of school hindered him at all

Sparklyfairy

Here's a PDF I found that helps explain the Harassment Warning a bit...(hope link works!)

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CGEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2FSN06411.pdf&ei=KQl9UtKIOIKThQeTjIHQDQ&usg=AFQjCNGtIW-nEBg1_F8ByL7rGOMnaWrAAA&sig2=2rOLhrCymzbexDJ0XkVMCw&bvm=bv.56146854,d.d2k