I'm sick.. No better off working :(

osdset

Especially weird as the income based welfare payment Tax Credits, is the greater drain on our welfare state, by far.

Nope, get your facts right. The biggest drain on welfare is pensions, at least 40% of the total budget.

osdset

BJV wrote: »

For my sins I used to work in the motor trade. I know some people lie. To my dying day I will remember saving for a car as my old one had died and a lady looking at a new car on DVLA. She decided not to buy it as her hockey equipment would not fit in the boot.!

She was very active in the hockey world and played semi pro.!!!

Just because we may not lie does not mean that some people do not.

Thanks for that, you still haven't proved a thing. Anecdotal stories that anyone could make up. I'll say it again, provide proof to back up your assertions.

FBaby

There are many people in work who get given more from the welfare state, than those that don't work at all.

My understanding is that families with children on benefits are entitled to child tax credits, to the same level if not more than people working on low income. The difference is working tax credits, however, a large element of this will go towards childcare costs. So those working will 1/pay back in taxes, and 2/promote employment unlike those unemployed. How can the two be compared????

NYM

osdset wrote: »

Nope, get your facts right. The biggest drain on welfare is pensions, at least 40% of the total budget.

I'll not be eligible until 2044. I doubt very much that there will be such a thing as a State Pension by then...despite the £thousands both my husband and I have to contribute to the *fund*

I do believe the majority of pensioners today have contributed throughout their working lives. They deserve every penny they get.

jetplane

OP Unfortunately many people are worse off working. Both in disposable income and time with their family. Contrary to the benefit bashers cries that benefits are too high it has much to do with the fact that many jobs are part time, minimum wage, unsocial hours and poor working conditions, while private rents are inflated.

It can be a real struggle juggling and paying for child care, while travel arrangements and costs can eat into time and money. It is disheartening at the end of the week when your best efforts reap no reward.

The media has successfully demonised benefit claimants but the real scandal is the amount of working poor that seem to be ignored.

osdset

Just because someone does not share your opinion! MSE is full of people from all walks of life and they will have different points of view. Surely you are being either very naïve thinking that no-one is concerned about our benefits bill and looking at ways to reduce it or either deliberately nasty.

Sorry not sure which?

Deliberately nasty? Deliberately forthright maybe. I tend to find when someones opinion is questioned on this forum they get a touch of the vapours instead of having an intelligent debate. Says more about them than me IMO.

bloolagoon

jetplane wrote: »

OP Unfortunately many people are worse off on benefits. Both in disposable income and time with their family. Contrary to the benefit bashers cries that benefits are too high it has much to do with the fact that many jobs are part time, minimum wage, unsocial hours and poor working conditions, while private rents are inflated.

It can be a real struggle juggling and paying for child care, while travel arrangements and costs can eat into time and money. It is disheartening at the end of the week when your best efforts reap no reward.

The media has successfully demonised benefit claimants but the real scandal is the amount of working poor that seem to be ignored.

I don't think that is limited to just the working poor, I think it's working families full stop unless you are very rich.

jetplane

Yes though some families are considerably better off in work than on benefits and some have good working conditions, regular hours and a job they enjoy. Affordable child care or family carers and this makes a big difference.

FBaby

Unfortunately many people are worse off on benefits

Do you mean worse off working?????

jetplane

Oops yes I meant better off on benefits, worse off working.