I'm sick.. No better off working :(

MissMoneypenny

thriftylass wrote: »

Kids that will pay your pension!

To be paying for the pensions, their children will have to grow to be the type of person who doesn't claim any benefits for their family when they reach working age.

Someone is raising the next lot of able bodied, welfare claimants.

BJV

BurnleyBob wrote: »

That's paid to you by everyone else to subsidise you choosing to have kids.

£11 per week to look after a child is impossible. It is the children who will fight for our country, and pay for our NHS as well and hopefully have the expertise to be able to find cures for cancer.

We all depend on the state in some way. If you go to your GP, or use a bus pass, visit a library, or drive a car on public roads. They are all drains on the system.

There is nothing to say that OP will not carry on as they are and then one day be taken on full time.

I would much rather offer some support to the OP as she almost self funds than ask them to do nothing.

BurnleyBob

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

To be paying for the pensions, their children will have to grow to be the type of person who doesn't claim any benefits for their family when they reach working age.

Someone is raising the next lot of able bodied, welfare claimants.

I read an estimate recently that based on current trends white British people will become a minority in the UK in 2066. The way things are going that minority will overwhelmingly consist of what are commonly referred to today as chavs or the underclass. There'll be a tiny elite with most of the wealth, virtually no middle class and the rest will be poor serfs.

BJV

There is another thread on MSE about an Op asking for advice about how much she can claim when she becomes a stay at home mum. Surely we should be commending this OP for getting off her B***

BurnleyBob

BJV wrote: »

There is another thread on MSE about an Op asking for advice about how much she can claim when she becomes a stay at home mum. Surely we should be commending this OP for getting off her B***

As already stated, she's getting it in the neck for her hypocrisy. Portraying herself as virtuous when she herself has no qualms about putting her hands in the benefits cookie jar. I don't blame her because she's entitled to but it can't go without comment when she sneers at others who are doing exactly the same thing because the state has deigned that they too are entitled.

thriftylass

BurnleyBob wrote: »

I expect that Ponzi scheme to collapse long before I'm due to join the queue at the Post Office for a State Pension.

On that same theme, those much maligned single mothers who are accused of making a career of breeding should instead be hailed as national heroines according to your reasoning (if I've read your one-liner correctly).

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

To be paying for the pensions, their children will have to grow to be the type of person who doesn't claim any benefits for their family when they reach working age.

Someone is raising the next lot of able bodied, welfare claimants.

How ignorant are you both to think that everyone that dares to procreate is raising benefit scroungers. Ok fair enough there are examples of mothers that have 10 kids don't work and instil in them it's an ok lifestyle. But I work for a decent wage, the state gives me child benefit so I am falling probably into your category of procreating welfare claimants. However I and many others will raise them with good work ethics. Unless they are unfortunate to have to have a job at some point that doesn't not pay a decent wage (more a problem of the NMW being too low) than they too will take state support but only if absolutely necessary. Otherwise they too will pay their tax and your pension! They will be your doctors, your bin men, and your baker etc in the future. So it's not just an egoistic choice to have kids but the majority will contribute to society. Anyway, that could be another discussion that goes round in circles.

I don't even now why I respond. These threads are always taken over by strong opinions towards benefits, the right to take them, them being a emergency net etc. There are so many different circumstances of why someone would need them that one just can't demonise all benefit claimants.

MissMoneypenny

thriftylass wrote: »

How ignorant are you both to think that everyone that dares to procreate is raising benefit scroungers.

Is it any more "ignorant" than you thinking that those that raise children they can't afford without income based welfare payments, are raising the next lot of adults who won't claim any welfare? If they have a good work ethic, they will get the school grades to get to a top university and from there, a good degree for a job that pays more than NMW.

Or are you saying that they will be no more benefit claimants at all in the next 10/20 years and forever after that, as everyone will keep their own families?

thriftylass wrote: »

There are so many different circumstances of why someone would need them that one just can't demonise all benefit claimants.

The point that you seem to have missed, is that it is really weird to see one lot of income based welfare claimants "demonise" other income based welfare claimants. Especially weird as the income based welfare payment Tax Credits, is the greater drain on our welfare state, by far. Tax Credits and job seekers are income based benefits.

Normally on threads like this where some Tax Credits claimants try to pretend they aren't really claiming benefits, they "demonise" the JSA claimants and the sick and disabled claimants, as being the drain on the welfare state.

mejaa

The whole purpose of this thread was to point out that what David Cameron said about " going to work pays" is a load of s@@t....
In many circumstances that is not the case...
You cannot tell me that any one who is criticising me has NEVER once in their life's claimed something from the government whether it be income support, Maternity pay, sick pay, fuel allowance for over 60s, or anything else for that matter.
I totally agree that you should get if your entitled which for some people means they are better off financially then those who work.

dandelionclock30

thriftylass wrote: »

How ignorant are you both to think that everyone that dares to procreate is raising benefit scroungers. Ok fair enough there are examples of mothers that have 10 kids don't work and instil in them it's an ok lifestyle. But I work for a decent wage, the state gives me child benefit so I am falling probably into your category of procreating welfare claimants. However I and many others will raise them with good work ethics. Unless they are unfortunate to have to have a job at some point that doesn't not pay a decent wage (more a problem of the NMW being too low) than they too will take state support but only if absolutely necessary. Otherwise they too will pay their tax and your pension! They will be your doctors, your bin men, and your baker etc in the future. So it's not just an egoistic choice to have kids but the majority will contribute to society. Anyway, that could be another discussion that goes round in circles.

I don't even now why I respond. These threads are always taken over by strong opinions towards benefits, the right to take them, them being a emergency net etc. There are so many different circumstances of why someone would need them that one just can't demonise all benefit claimants.

How do you know how your kids lives will turn out? you dont. Theres plenty of graduates and postgraduates on benefits, through no fault of their own. Your child might decide they dont want to work and always claim. Nobody has a crystal ball about what their children are going to do.

bloolagoon

FBaby wrote: »

I don't agree at all. It is not OP's fault ic wages are what they are. They are working full-time and that's all they can do. If everyone educated themselves and expected top wages so they could support their family who would do the other jobs? I don't have any issues with tax credits to support people working full time on low wage. That's what they should be for rather than to boost the income of those on benefits.

It's all you can ask of people to be fair. And prior to this they only claimed CA and CB. It's why the safety net needs to be here.