Parking Charge Notice

jeanraffio

Umkomaas wrote: »

@jeanraffio - some great posts you've made here, excellent stuff. :T

I do hope you can join us regular contributors on a longer term basis in helping newbies and taking this fight to the PPCs (welcome aboard - if I'm not being too previous)

No probs, learnt an awful lot from the regulars on here over the past month or so, and once you get your head round it and get a clear sense of what you need to do after wading through the multitude of info on here it's a lot easier to help.

Never before have I been so shocked at the levels that these companies can sink to extort money from people. Disgust isn't the word!

Coupon-mad

Iamthestig2 wrote: »

I also think their signs may conform- any pointers of ways in which they may not? I am going to the car park today to look at them! Thanks

Did you take a photo? If not, do get a few pics at the weekend (of the wording and the position of the signs). I am just wondering whether the signs will be alleging 'breach of terms' or not. I know the Charge Notice does, but what exactly do the signs say?

This is a small firm we don't see mentioned very often and I want to make sure that to argue 'no pre-estimate of loss' among other arguments at POPLA will stack up. I want to discount the possibility of them saying the charge was contractually agreed by the driver.

But send your appeal anyway.

jeanraffio wrote: »

No probs, learnt an awful lot from the regulars on here over the past month or so, and once you get your head round it and get a clear sense of what you need to do after wading through the multitude of info on here it's a lot easier to help.

Never before have I been so shocked at the levels that these companies can sink to extort money from people. Disgust isn't the word!

Come and join us! We all started like that! I even help people with Council ticket flaws on pepipoo forum and have never appealed one myself. I just have a hatred of scams and a good memory for facts, threads, wording and regulations.

Iamthestig2

Coupon-mad, I did indeed take pictures . How do I share them? Thanks

Iamthestig2

If there's a chance we will lose at POPLA am I better paying up now to avoid paying the full whack?? Can't really afford either at the moment, but it almost doubles if we lose! I have found one receipt so far/ definitely from a store that the car park is for, and time shown is during the 'overstay' period. Should I send that to the company who manage the car park?

Iamthestig2

Text from the signs (as I am unable to post image)

Private car park
Terms and conditions apply
XXXXX SHOPPING CENTRE
P CUSTOMERS ONLY
3 HOURS MAXIMUM STAY BETWEEN 8AM AND 6PM
This area is monitored by ANPR cameras.
You agree to pay a £55 parking charge (increasing to £95 if not paid within 14 days) to Spring Parking Ltd when you allow your vehicle to remain in the car park for more than 3 hours between 8am and 6pm Monday to Saturday. We may contact the DVLA to request the details of the registered keeper and a charge notice may be sent via post. Failure to make payment within 28 days may incur additional charges.
This site it maintained and monitored by Spring Parking Limited.
Enquires 0845 4967275
https://www.springparking.co.uk

___________________________

Then there is the name of the company who own the centre (Dencora) and a note stating they are not responsible for loss/ damage etc

jeanraffio

Without sounding rude, you really have to decide what you want to do here. The facts as they stand at the moment are

a) You can still go to POPLA appeal with people's help on here. There is a 100% success rate of appeal as it stands with people's help on here.
b) You haven't mentioned that you have pursued the landowner. Do this NOW and do this AGGRESSIVELY. Speak only to top dogs and do NOT be allowed to be fobbed off. They can get these tickets cancelled at any point.
c) Spring do not have any record of taking people to court (it costs them money!), so show that you are willing to fight and have the knowledge of the legal relevant information and there's a good chance that they will leave you alone and move onto the next mug. This may change, but there's no reason to suggest it will.

All three options (one of which guarantees a win) have been mentioned numerous times as options in this thread, yet you are still thinking of paying. It's your decision dude but you need to make a rational decision you are happy with. I certainly wouldn't pay when there's a free win on the table.

Iamthestig2

I would love to get the ticket cancelled by POPLA! But until I can find something concrete that I know will win an appeal I am cautious about this approach (I appreciate that this may seem ridiculous to those with intricate knowledge of the whole process, but to me, having never had a ticket before and being faced with a slightly overwhelming amount of info on the whole thing, I'm feeling a little stressed- and £95 is not money I can afford to part with, as I have a young family). The signs seem pretty clear, the CCTV images are clear and not retouched etc, they have issued the Charge Notice within the time limits... Coupon-mad mentioned discounting the possibility the charge was contracturallty agreed... If I did contracturallty agree the charge due to the signage I interpreted that to mean maybe I would not have a case to appeal, hence wondering if I should thus pay! Like I said, I'd love to appeal, I'm just unsure whether I have a strong case' Spring seem to be less cowboy-like than other firms from the threads I have read..

Iamthestig2

And I am going to contact the landowner again tomorrow, I fully intend to Pursue that route, my initial contact with them was not wholly promising, but I am going to email them using the advice I have been given. I am still reading through threads on POPLA appeals. I apologise if I come across as indecisive or ungrateful- not my intention at all- I am extremely grateful for all the help given- but also feeling a little overwhelmed too!

RoxRoxBling

Iamthestig2 wrote: »

I would love to get the ticket cancelled by POPLA! But until I can find something concrete that I know will win an appeal I am cautious about this approach (I appreciate that this may seem ridiculous to those with intricate knowledge of the whole process, but to me, having never had a ticket before and being faced with a slightly overwhelming amount of info on the whole thing, I'm feeling a little stressed- and £95 is not money I can afford to part with, as I have a young family). The signs seem pretty clear, the CCTV images are clear and not retouched etc, they have issued the Charge Notice within the time limits... Coupon-mentioned discounting the possibility the charge was contracturallty agreed... If I did contracturallty agree the charge due to the signage I interpreted that to mean maybe I would not have a case to appeal, hence wondering if I should thus pay! Like I said, I'd love to appeal, I'm just unsure whether I have a strong case' Spring seem to be less cowboy-like that other firms from the threads I have read..

Don't Worry Stig!!! I'm in the same position as you too. Only with UKPC, i have started by complaining to the retail manager.
As my complaint has got 'rejected' (today) I began to think oh I'll pay the 35 within the 14 days, rather than the 70 after.

But I've my trust in the MSE guys, and the 100% POPLA win case.

Together, we'll fight these cowboy PPCs.

Umkomaas

RoxRoxBling wrote: »

Don't Worry Stig!!! I'm in the same position as you too. Only with UKPC, i have started by complaining to the retail manager.
As my complaint has got 'rejected' (today) I began to think oh I'll pay the 35 within the 14 days, rather than the 70 after.

But I've my trust in the MSE guys, and the 100% POPLA win case.

Together, we'll fight these cowboy PPCs.

Well done RRB - now carry that positivity over to your thread and we'll be getting there.