Plenty of money for houses....but not for nurses

MrRee_2

Automatic movement up Payscales needs to cease.

Teachers also enjoy this same 3.5% step up each and every year, yet they moan that they have 'just received a 1% payrise'!!!!!

Errrr, no, you have received a 4.5% payrise - let's get it right!

Then there is the added bonus payments Teachers get, they call them TLR payments ...... up to £12,000 extra per year on TOP of their basic Teachers wage of £36,000 - pretty GREAT terms and they should zip their mouths and stop their strike actions!

I guess the NHS is the same as above, but I cannot comment on that with any authority.

grizzly1911

MrRee wrote: »

Automatic movement up Payscales needs to cease.

Teachers also enjoy this same 3.5% step up each and every year, yet they moan that they have 'just received a 1% payrise'!!!!!

Errrr, no, you have received a 4.5% payrise - let's get it right!

Then there is the added bonus payments Teachers get, they call them TLR payments ...... up to £12,000 extra per year on TOP of their basic Teachers wage of £36,000 - pretty GREAT terms and they should zip their mouths and stop their strike actions!

I guess the NHS is the same as above, but I cannot comment on that with any authority.

You appear to hate teachers I wonder why? You have recently posted a load of rubbish on head teachers too.
Never mind they will be on PRP soon so no doubt the majority% will lose out so you can feel all warm at night.

Andy_L

MrRee wrote: »

Automatic movement up Payscales needs to cease.

There is no automatic movement up pay scales. its subject to annual staff reports.

The alternative of course is the 1.4-ish million people individually negotiating pay rises each year.

Backbiter

chewmylegoff wrote: »

A couple of stats for you Graham.



Nearly 20% of the NHS budget (more than £20 billion a year) is set aside to cover the cost of litigation and damages payments to former patients and the families of former patients...

I was so startled by this clam that I was relieved to discover it is an absurd exaggeration:

4.54
In 2004-05, the Authority paid out £503 million for
all clinical negligence schemes (2003-04: £422 million).
However, there was a drop in the actual number of claims
made, from 6,251 in 2003-04 to 5,609
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in 2004-05.
4.55
The NHS expects to make future payments totalling
£6.9 billion (at today’s prices) in respect of known or
expected claims (2003-04: £6.3 billion). £2.8 billion
of this is expected to be paid within the next five years.
These sums are shown as provisions in the Authority’s
accounts.
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An additional £3.1 billion of claims are
possible, but unlikely, and these are shown as contingent
liabilities in the Authority’s accounts.

Figures from the Audit Commission:
http://archive.audit-commission.gov.uk/auditcommission/sitecollectiondocuments/AuditCommissionReports/NationalStudies/NHSSummarisedAccounts.pdf

So the figure is not £20 bn a year. It is about one-fortieth of that, which means you've exaggerated it by about 2000 per cent. Care to quote the source of your statistics?

Backbiter

Andy_L wrote: »

The alternative of course is the 1.4-ish million people individually negotiating pay rises each year.

Which is - astonishingly - what has been proposed for some 600 000 teachers. That'll leave heads loads of time to actually run their schools.

chewmylegoff

Backbiter wrote: »

I was so startled by this clam that I was relieved to discover it is an absurd exaggeration:



Figures from the Audit Commission:
http://archive.audit-commission.gov.uk/auditcommission/sitecollectiondocuments/AuditCommissionReports/NationalStudies/NHSSummarisedAccounts.pdf

So the figure is not £20 bn a year. It is about one-fortieth of that, which means you've exaggerated it by about 2000 per cent. Care to quote the source of your statistics?

Yes, the source is my own slap dash reading comprehension. You're right - it is not £20bn a year although it was £1.2bn last year according to newspaper reports. The £20bn figure is the total fiture liability estimated from all currently known and anticipated claims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2168284/NHS-pays-record-1-2billion-compensation-claims-rocket-40-ONE-YEAR.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2369823/NHS-medical-negligence-rises-22billion-ministers-blame-spiralling-costs-win-fee-lawyers.html

I do apologise in advance for using the daily fail as a source but it's what came top in google.

Whilst obviously this is much less than £20bn a year, which is a number so stupidly high I should have noticed it was wrong, it is notable that the annual figure appears to have more than doubled since 2005 and the future anticipated liability has approximately trebled in that time.

So, in summary yes it isn't £20bn a year but it is still high and it is escalating, which suggests a snowballing problem. Of course the newspapers have attributed this to a claims culture and ambulance chasers - but this again is an example of the different outcomes from similar news flow. Few media outlets comment on the claims culture driving PPI compensation, but switch on the TV and you can see it there with your own eyes.

Backbiter

Thanks for the reply. Sure, the real figure is itself very high, and as you say, what lies behind it is not just medical malpractice but also a claims culture.

robmatic

Andy_L wrote: »

The alternative of course is the 1.4-ish million people individually negotiating pay rises each year.

You mean like millions of people do in the private sector?

That could never work.

lostinrates

robmatic wrote: »

You mean like millions of people do in the private sector?

That could never work.

Pay scales so e times are used in private sector. My husband, for example, is on an annual automatic payscale in private sector. In some cases its deemed more economic to use this model.

NewlySingle

I heard that in the surveys announced today that a number of areas are percieved as delivering better service levels (despite the cut backs)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24454006

GP Surgeries are noted as being marginally better, the NHS generally as worse. If I'd have been asked to vote I'd have voted worse and primarily on the standard of Nursing Care.

When my mother was taken into hospital this year the nursing service was pretty poor. Mum was a nurse herself for a number of years and was very aware of what her care levels "should" have been, they fell woefully short.

She'd had an ruptured appendicitus and and was finding it difficult to drink - the less she drank the more nauseaus she became and the more difficult to drink (as her operation area was so painful she was very afraid of retching because of the increased pain this would cause.)
She had asked for a fluid drip to but wasn't given one and also asked for IV meds instead of tablets as she has difficulty swallowing tablets and at that time was having dificulty swallowing water let alone uncoated tablets!!!

Mum was worried about nurse "retaliation" the first day so wouldn't let me request anythink on her behalf. By the second dy she was quite dehydrated and well below her water requirement. I queried this wtih the Nurse who seemed to think she was drinking "just fine" - when I pointed out that one jug of water over 2 days was nowhere near enough and the cycle mum was in the eventually gave her the drip she'd requested 2 days before.
Unsurprisingly mum became a lot better after that but not before she's picked up Pneumonia in that initial recovery period.

What were the 2 nurses doing while people were struggling to get in and out of bed? They were both having a cup of tea and doing a crossword..... (Everyone deserves a break but you wuould think they would be staggered so the patients had at least one person watching them!)

A different nurse the follwoing day was absolutely briliant, was aware of the patients, their pain levels, checking their water, making sure to remove bubbles on new IV drips etc/

If performance related pay was introduced "patient feedback" being part of it would align rewards with care levels and ability.

I'm only a simple gal, but maybe giving the managers the flexibility to reward exceptional people appropriately and manage out those few people who don't do their jobs and expect others to pick up the slack would make the whole proffession more rewarding.