Plenty of money for houses....but not for nurses

lindsaygalaxy

Also, for anyone that has been in hospital or needed emergency care, I am sure would give their right arm to have someone looking after them. I don't think nurses etc get paid anywhere near enough - these people save lives which you can't put a value on. My daughter was recently rushed into hospital and all the staff were amazing.

The_Magnificent_Spoon

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Would you rather thay just started on the normal wage, and therefore we avoided the pay increments?

I'm sure NHS staff would prefer that too.

Yes, that would be great. IF the NHS staff were held accountable and liable for their actions.

But they aren't.

I dated a nurse, and the stories she used to tell me about the incompetence, and sheer lack of care from other nurses (admittedly it was just two or three of them, please don't think I'm generalising) was atrocious. However, they were never questioned or disciplined, and were just allowed to plod on.

Graham_Devon

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Of course if we want to, we can throw money into compounding an anomaly that Gordon Brown seems to have caused...



Despite the hard work and professionalism of many individuals within our health service, all we have seen recently is increased evidence of a totally broken system. Professionals within the broken system seem to be highly paid already. Throwing even more money at them by way of salary is not the answer.

So you believe NHS workers should simply get less?

You don't seem to want them to start on less and then work up to a standard level of pay. But on the same token, you don't want them to start on standard pay.

The only thing left is to reduce pay across the board?

So let's take a look at your everyday Hospital nurse.

He/she starts on £21,388 and after 8 years, worked up to £27,901 for a 37.5 hour week.

How much do you think that nurse is worth?

The_Magnificent_Spoon

Graham_Devon wrote: »

So you believe NHS workers should simply get less?

You don't seem to want them to start on less and then work up to a standard level of pay. But on the same token, you don't want them to start on standard pay.

The only thing left is to reduce pay across the board?

So let's take a look at your everyday Hospital nurse.

He/she starts on £21,388 and after 8 years, worked up to £27,901 for a 37.5 hour week.

How much do you think that nurse is worth?

How about, start them off on £21,388, and then increase their pay up to a maximum of £27,901 over however many years it takes, based upon their performance. NOT just on how long they've been plodding along in their job. Extra pay is not a reward for just having plodded along for eight years, it should be reward and recognition for a job well done.

Graham_Devon

The_Magnificent_Spoon wrote: »

How about, start them off on £21,388, and then increase their pay up to a maximum of £27,901 over however many years it takes, based upon their performance. NOT just on how long they've been plodding along in their job. Extra pay is not a reward for just having plodded along for eight years, it should be reward and recognition.

That is what he system is.

progression through all incremental pay points in all pay bands to be conditional on individuals demonstrating that they meet locally agreed performance requirements in line with Annex W (England) of the handbook

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That is what he system is.

what percentage of people fail to get the increment?

The_Magnificent_Spoon

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That is what he system is.

On paper. We both know that that is pretty much just a formality and for a start is not fair on those that have not been there for eight years, but go above and beyond the call of duty, showing those extra high levels of initiative and dedication.

Stop ticking boxes, treating all the nurses as the same automatons. Reward those that deserve it, hold accountable those that don't.

The_Magnificent_Spoon

CLAPTON wrote: »

what percentage of people fail to get the increment?

Very few. It has literally been a formality to every nurse I've known.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Many in the private sector are being served up with like it or hike it pay cuts..

*Yawn*

That hasn't been the case on any large scale for several years now.

Now pay rises are increasing.

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

what percentage of people fail to get the increment?

I don't know. Why would you expect me to know? Just stating that the system was already as wished for.

It's very difficult to measure performance in a clinical environment in any case. Each case i different. That's medicine.