Plenty of money for houses....but not for nurses

ash28

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would prefer to see list of unfilled vacancies as being more meaningful than a future prediction, from what is probably, not an entirely independent and disinterested source.

Why do you think nurses are under paid?

Here is an article from the Telegraph about some of the current nursing shortages.....in A&E there are 1 in 10 posts vacant.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10294611/One-in-10-AandE-posts-left-unfilled.html

Our local health authority is actively trying to recruit 50 nurses from Spain, Portugal and Greece......we are pretty rural so perhaps recruitment is more difficult here than in the bigger city hospitals.

Graham_Devon

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

So we seem to be all in agreement. They must be paid about the right amount.

Next?

Indeed. If you delete half of what I said, were in agreement!

Well done old chap!

grizzly1911

Yet another short sited political move to continually undermine the NHS. A move to introduce PRP to further reduce pay. Many staff do not receive increments that are at the top of scale. Many haven't received any form of pay rise for years. Agenda for change downgraded roles without responsibilities significantly meaning further career flattening and pay containment. Whilst Mailites desperately want the NHS kicked into touch you would need to be careful what you wish for.


No doubt MP and ministerial pay awards will similarly be renaiged on.
No doubt demoralising predominately hard working, dedicated, caring staff is a key part of motivating a team these days.

lostinrates

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Can he speak English?

That would be a good start.

Some of the very best care I've seen in NHs has been provided by a mainly polish lead nursing team and a polish doctor. Formidable, very 'humane' care for my very grumpy mother. English was competent, but heavily accented!

My best ever NHs treatment was last year where a junior doctor in a hijab who was receiving end of lots of glares and mutterings fro. The waiting room picked up something no one else had yet, whether its new or not I don't know, but her senior consultant hadn't seen it, and called me bak in to check. Her English was accented and her hijab makes her obviously 'other' to mainstream secular culture but by heck, I wish she saw me every time I was in that clinic. She was human, which it feels like no other nurse or doctor in that dept is. She listened to what I said and responded.

I see a regrettable number of doctors and nurses and I frequently choose consultants who have a period of training or background or practise outside the uk. Not always but often, the difference in 'humanity' is significant. Although, my favourite consultant is Brit through and through and we just have a shared sense of humour and snigger through my appointments.

lostinrates

lindsaygalaxy wrote: »

Also, for anyone that has been in hospital or needed emergency care, I am sure would give their right arm to have someone looking after them. I don't think nurses etc get paid anywhere near enough - these people save lives which you can't put a value on. My daughter was recently rushed into hospital and all the staff were amazing.

I'm in hospital a lot, sadly. And yes, I'd often give a lot for good quality nursing, And sadly, its often not that great. When it is, the experience is tremendously different, they are important part of care for patients.

There are some times you just grit your teeth and get on with it, and there are other times when one, frankly is terrified, and a reassuring nurse is the difference between going through with treatment or not, or getting through it 'well' and bravely or crying like a fool.

Nurses are human beings. Some are kind and generous people, some are quite nasty. (So e times what you overhear them saying about each other or patients or how you hear them speaking to each other when they believe they are out of ear shot is truely depressing...just like 'non angelic non nursing people') most are just normal people on good or bad days I guess.

I'm quite gritty about most procedures and actually fairly interested in them but the things I am not keen on, would be nice to have a bit of reassurance with. My least favourite medical thing is not terrible invasive at all, but its very nurses facing, and they are far from angelic at times!

CLAPTON

ash28 wrote: »

Here is an article from the Telegraph about some of the current nursing shortages.....in A&E there are 1 in 10 posts vacant.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10294611/One-in-10-AandE-posts-left-unfilled.html

Our local health authority is actively trying to recruit 50 nurses from Spain, Portugal and Greece......we are pretty rural so perhaps recruitment is more difficult here than in the bigger city hospitals.

if there is no general shortage of nurses but in A&E there is a 10% shortfall then it seems to show yet another failing of the NHS to plan and to manage it's resources properly rather than that nurses in general are underpaid.

C_Mababejive

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

*Yawn*

That hasn't been the case on any large scale for several years now.

Now pay rises are increasing.

I disagree..

Loughton_Monkey

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Indeed. If you delete half of what I said, were in agreement!

Well done old chap!

Well I kept the best half!

grizzly1911

A&E is intense,stressfull and often relentless. Whilst it may be a good learning ground it grinds people down. Perhaps not first choice when looking for a permanent career move.

Loughton_Monkey

grizzly1911 wrote: »

A&E is intense,stressfull and often relentless. Whilst it may be a good learning ground it grinds people down. Perhaps not first choice when looking for a permanent career move.

I'm sure it's the true "battlefield" of the NHS, and a bit they tend to do well. But sadly, still, 90% of it is neither 'accident' nor 'emergency'. It's drunks, idiots, people with a cut finger who can't be bothered to go to the doctor......

For true 100% 'nursing' you should also look at intensive care.

One of the ironies is that these nurses are noticeably good, and it sure as hell shows both to patients and visitors. It is clear they have been 'hand picked' for the quality of their work. And yet, the large groundswell of opinion seems to suggest that it's impossible to measure performance in a clinical environment. Pure rubbish.