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Three contract iPhone 5S - flexible upfront cost

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  • You-kip
    You-kip Posts: 499 Forumite
    grumbler wrote: »
    Is the standard price not £99+24x£41 (or 24x£52 for the most desperate customers wanting to borrow extra £99 @213% APR)?

    Still don't get what you're trying to get at.
  • NFH
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    You-kip wrote: »
    Still don't get what you're trying to get at.
    The point is - why pay an APR of 42.5% or 213% on a disguised loan from Three rather than saving up in advance (without a loan) for this £709 iPhone or even getting a 14.9% APR loan from Apple? Three's disguised loan makes no financial sense.
  • gjchester
    gjchester Posts: 5,741 Forumite
    NFH wrote: »
    Three's disguised loan makes no financial sense.

    As posted in another thread, it makes no sense to you but may to others.

    For some a set amount each month is far better than a big payment, and as has also been said on some contracts it can be cheaper to get a contract than go sim free if you plan on seeing out the term. Others may have a poor credit rating that makes a loan harder to get ,or have other finacnial issues that prevent them getting a loan but can easily be approved for a monthly payment contract.

    There is no one size fits all answer, it depends on circumstances and what deals the buyer has offered to him.
  • NFH
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    gjchester wrote: »
    As posted in another thread, it makes no sense to you but may to others.
    It makes sense to others only because they don't realise they are getting a disguised loan with a very high APR.
    gjchester wrote: »
    For some a set amount each month is far better than a big payment, and as has also been said on some contracts it can be cheaper to get a contract than go sim free if you plan on seeing out the term.
    So why not save up in advance, as one would be more likely to do for any other product such as a laptop or new television? If one isn't the type of consumer who would get a loan for a laptop or television, then why get a disguised loan (with a high APR) for an iPhone?
    gjchester wrote: »
    Others may have a poor credit rating that makes a loan harder to get ,or have other finacnial issues that prevent them getting a loan but can easily be approved for a monthly payment contract.
    One's credit rating would have to be very poor to need to pay an APR of 42.5% or 213%. The iPhone is a premium product whose price is not suitable for those with little disposable income.
  • You-kip
    You-kip Posts: 499 Forumite
    NFH wrote: »
    The point is - why pay an APR of 42.5% or 213% on a disguised loan from Three rather than saving up in advance (without a loan) for this £709 iPhone or even getting a 14.9% APR loan from Apple? Three's disguised loan makes no financial sense.

    I could of bought the phone outright like the majority of other people but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't of got the same minutes etc.
  • gjchester
    gjchester Posts: 5,741 Forumite
    NFH wrote: »
    It makes sense to others only because they don't realise they are getting a disguised loan with a very high APR.

    As I said there are people for who the fact is a set monthly fee, is better than a high down payment. It doesn't to you or I but not all people are in the same state.
    NFH wrote: »
    So why not save up in advance, as one would be more likely to do for any other product such as a laptop or new television? If one isn't the type of consumer who would get a loan for a laptop or television, then why get a disguised loan (with a high APR) for an iPhone?.

    Because they don't want to, are not able to or choose not to. Why is irrelevent thats a choice they make, it's not down to you or I to second guess their financial status.


    The catalog companies and places like Brighthouse make a business off it, so it works for some people. Anyone with a low set income may choose to pay small fixed weekly or monthly fees as it's the only way they can afford something expensive. These compnaies show total cost but people still use them.
    NFH wrote: »
    One's credit rating would have to be very poor to need to pay an APR of 42.5% or 213%. The iPhone is a premium product whose price is not suitable for those with little disposable income.

    The APR is irrelelvent, the person disposable income is irrelevent. If they are willing to pay the costs, no matter what they give up, they can have the phone.

    Apples sales figures show that people want the iPhone and are willing to pay for it.

    Cigarettes, booze, drugs and Sky TV can all be seen as non essensial products, but many poeple on low income enjoy them. Its all about what choices you make.
  • NFH
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    You-kip wrote: »
    I could of bought the phone outright like the majority of other people but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't of got the same minutes etc.
    Three's "The One Plan" normally costs £15/month on a 12-month contract or £18/month on a 1-month contract. Are you saying you are getting larger allowances than this?
  • NFH
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    gjchester wrote: »
    As I said there are people for who the fact is a set monthly fee, is better than a high down payment. It doesn't to you or I but not all people are in the same state.

    Because they don't want to, are not able to or choose not to. Why is irrelevent thats a choice they make, it's not down to you or I to second guess their financial status.

    The catalog companies and places like Brighthouse make a business off it, so it works for some people. Anyone with a low set income may choose to pay small fixed weekly or monthly fees as it's the only way they can afford something expensive. These compnaies show total cost but people still use them.
    These purchase methods are not in the spirit of money saving. On the contrary they are part of an expensive "buy now pay later" consumer debt culture. These forums are about saving money, not paying more through unnecessary disguised loans.
    gjchester wrote: »
    The APR is irrelelvent
    The APR is not irrelevant at all. As an accurate indicator of the cost of borrowing, it is entirely relevant and a useful comparison tool where competition is otherwise distorted by complicated prices.
  • NFH wrote: »
    Three's "The One Plan" normally costs £15/month on a 12-month contract or £18/month on a 1-month contract. Are you saying you are getting larger allowances than this?

    No I'm not that's exactly the one I've got.
  • grumbler
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    gjchester wrote: »
    ....Its all about what choices you make.
    I think this site is about helping people to make right choices, not about finding excuses to justify wrong ones.
    If they make wrong choices it will be too late to tell them this when they come to DFW board with DMP on the edge of bankruptcy. Incidentally, many newbies coming there with SOA do pay through the nose for Sky TV and for expensive mobile contracts.
    Taking a payday loan for food can be justified sometimes. Borrowing £99 @213% APR to buy iPhone that you cannot afford is simply dumb. Borrowing £600 @40% to buy a toy is dumb too.
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