Ignorant People

cattermole

So it is actually the other way around then the disabled are pushing for it to be clarified phew

I thought it was a buggy user that was taking the case from your first post

So the current ruling (that last one) says they should take priority but because of the other case it is going to be clarified in the Court of Appeal. Hopefully then commonsense will prevail.

mazza111

I know it's hard getting on buses with a buggy, I used to do it and chose a buggy that was suitable for folding with one hand, but back in those days, the drivers used to help you, I sound ancient haha.

But it's easier to fold a buggy surely than to fold a wheelchair and transfer to a normal seat?

fed_up_and_stressed

Most kids in buggies do not have a NEED to be in it and could probably exit it and transfer to a seat easily. The same can not be said for wheelchair users.

It's funny I find people are much more helpful in the uk on buses when I am in my chair than when I had my arm crutches.
Then it was anything goes.

However in Italy the level of courtesy offered to me due to my disability was mind boggling people would literally sit on another passengers knee and no they didn't know each other so I could have a seat !

I disagree with the comment on here previously that this is some kind of "woe is me" contest. I think it just resonates with people's own experiences.

I know what you mean about people see the chair and ask what's wrong. I was in a shopping centre once and a loud and particularly annoying brat was moaning about mummy not let him stay up till midnight on his play station and threw a tantrum (kid was about 7 btw) then he came rushing up to me demanding to know why I was in the chair and called me lazy and shouted "get up get up you lazy woman" whilst his drippy idiot mum looked on.

There was no way I was gonna let this little brat get away with it so I said just as loudly .. This is what happens when you spend too long on the play station. Brat started crying immediately and ran up yo mummy clutching her leg and pointing at me whilst I wheeled off chuckling to myself !

nannytone_2

i agree that wheelchaor users should be prioritised, but also empathise with buggy users.
i remember struggling with a baby that was too young to sit, a toddler and shopping ... all whilst trying to fold the buggy and get it all on the bus without causing harm to anyone ... and whilst the driver is trying to make you hurry up!

it isnt as simple as placing a well behaved toddler on a seat ( if one is available) whilst concentrating on foldin the buggy. from my memory, no one helps you .. they hust mumble to each other that their having to wait longer than they would like

Morglin

I did the double buggy bit on buses, with two toddlers, and it was a struggle some days, although not insurmountable.

But, in my view, wheelchairs must take priority, simply because the user cannot get out, gold the chair, and transfer to a seat.

There is also the point that all parents are volunteers in the situation, as in that they chose to have kids, but very few people in wheelchairs chose their situation!

Lin

Indie_Kid

Morglin wrote: »

But, in my view, wheelchairs must take priority, simply because the user cannot get out, gold the chair and transfer to a seat.

And where would you put the chair? I'm sure many don't fold. Certainly not the extent that prams can.

Part of the problem with prams is the size of them. No-one needs a pram that big.

fed_up_and_stressed

Indie_Kid wrote: »

And where would you put the chair? I'm sure many don't fold. Certainly not the extent that prams can.

Part of the problem with prams is the size of them. No-one needs a pram that big.

Indeed if someone managed to hoof the power chairs around at 100kg or more I'd be very impressed !

cattermole

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Most kids in buggies do not have a NEED to be in it and could probably exit it and transfer to a seat easily. The same can not be said for wheelchair users.

It's funny I find people are much more helpful in the uk on buses when I am in my chair than when I had my arm crutches.
Then it was anything goes.

However in Italy the level of courtesy offered to me due to my disability was mind boggling people would literally sit on another passengers knee and no they didn't know each other so I could have a seat !

I disagree with the comment on here previously that this is some kind of "woe is me" contest. I think it just resonates with people's own experiences.

I know what you mean about people see the chair and ask what's wrong. I was in a shopping centre once and a loud and particularly annoying brat was moaning about mummy not let him stay up till midnight on his play station and threw a tantrum (kid was about 7 btw) then he came rushing up to me demanding to know why I was in the chair and called me lazy and shouted "get up get up you lazy woman" whilst his drippy idiot mum looked on.

There was no way I was gonna let this little brat get away with it so I said just as loudly .. This is what happens when you spend too long on the play station. Brat started crying immediately and ran up yo mummy clutching her leg and pointing at me whilst I wheeled off chuckling to myself !

Great story

Me and my OH think we are just becoming grumpy old people because other people's kids just seem such a damn pain.

We were visiting a NT roman site last weekend (not that accessible by the way) one bunch of kids piled a load of steps up with some what I think were those outside draughts. I had to move them all so a visually impaired adult with a lot of other problems could get down. The parents ignored it.

Then the wheelchair lift wasn't working to get into the main gallery to seek the mosaics, so my husband helped some grandparents with a child in a wheelchair up the steps. No one else batted an eyelid or offered to help.

To top it all signs everywhere saying don't walk/climb on the "roman" walls every single kid there seems to be on them again parents oblivious. The last straw was when some able bodied couple stepped straight over the rope protecting the main steps!!

We were considering joining the NT but quite frankly at £95 for a couple and £98 for a family with any number of kids, it didn't seem very worthwhile. :eek: I mentioned this to the NT officials pointing out that the kids probably contributed to the biggest amount of ongoing costs. They did agree and said it was the theory that in the future they would be the trust's supporters hence why they were free in the membership or cost £3!!

OH said he though the kids should be banned!

People just seem to let them do the hell as they like with no discipline what so ever or respect for others.

Rrushi_Shqiptar

I get challenged a lot when I use my BB I just smile and say whatever, but last time I was a bit cross esp as I have the badge now due to my service to this country and because my scars are not always visible I get abuse. I dont always like to use it but some days are worse than others and I really need too.

What can I say. I have even had a parking warden call the police and tell the officer I was using the badge illegally, The police officer apologised to me and laughed at the Parking warden when he showed him my picture on the back and gave him a few friendly words of advise.

I am 48 and because I dont look like complete physical wreck etc I get the same abuse, esp from other disabled BB users who are sometimes so over weight they cant move properly, eating burgers and smoking.......I just have to let it go over my head

Indie_Kid

Rrushi_Shqiptar wrote: »

I am 48 and because I dont look like complete physical wreck etc I get the same abuse, esp from other disabled BB users who are sometimes so over weight they cant move properly, eating burgers and smoking.......I just have to let it go over my head

I would hope that disabled people would be more understanding on invisible disabilities, etc. But clearly not.:( Did once have a disabled person tell me there's nothing wrong with me. Yes, because of course you can see depression, IBS, brain injuries and visual impairment.:mad: