Brother borrowed 20k without consent

tommytynan123

Hi there - I did read the initial postings some while back and have just read the last few pages.
Firstly I am amazed at the strength you and Dad are showing but always remember YOU. Don't forget YOU. I went through a massive family trauma some years back involving a sibling death and being a 'man' I tried to carry everybody. Everyone I met said ''don't forget you'' but I forgot me. Ended up in hospital.

As I was reading my mind was flashing across to brother and his kids and then a poster mentioned 'addiction'. Do you know why he needed the money or where it went ? Was it for him or his kids ? Not that the answer detracts from the awful way he has treated you and Dad but it would sort of close the loop.

I can't really help in any legal advice but the advice of 'leave it to the police' is probably best.

Had it been me in your shoes I would have probably walked into his work and asked to see him or his boss followed by his kids workplace. (I expect to get shouted down for that but whatever)

Bad days come and go and we all have them so just cross it off and try tomorrow.

Best wishes:)

Boozer

Long time with no update, anything happening?

NANANINANOONOO

Boozer wrote: »

Long time with no update, anything happening?

Nothing at all likely to be forthcoming until after Christmas now. Dad had positive meeting with all authorities involved with his case this week and he clearly has all the support possible on side and working for him now which is great, although it could take many many months to actually conclude anything and there are still certainly no guarantees of a positive outcome. However dad at least now feels his sanity and his word are no longer under scrutiny, everyone has confirmed they can see and do believe exactly what has happened which has been so disturbing for him. We can literally do no more ourselves so although he is still anxious hopefully dad really can relax a little and let matters take there natural course. Dad is so tense and het up - fingers crossed he will accept some counselling to help see him through this

MQ77

Sending you and your father best wishes at this difficult time.
I hope 2014 is a better year for you both.

NANANINANOONOO

Dad has just had his 85th birthday and received no card or message from my brother but saddest of all not so much as a card from my nephews and niece (his grandchildren). Christmas is looming and again there is no sign from anyone that they are thinking of this man after all he has done for them over the years, regardlss of this current unpleasant situation which must be dividing their loyalties he has always been a very reliable generous and loving grandad to them. This has been another blow to his self-esteem as I know he was hoping for at least a card through his door - shame on them.

About two weeks ago dad wrote to my brother asking if he could arrange to have his personal belongings collected that are in his care. These are just a few papers and personal or sentimental items like his letters from my mum that he did not feel was appropriate to take with him to his partners home so they have been stored at my brothers, there is nothing of any value or that my brother could need. My brother has not responded even though dad offered to have them collected by someone independant or suggested he could arrange for them to be dropped off somewhere mutual, basically whatever my brother felt most comfortable with and there will only be a couple of carryable boxes at the most.

As mentioned in previous posts all my attempts to contact my brother had been ignored despite my efforts to ring and write to him and I have heard nothing from my nephews or niece since their initial shock on learning what had occured. Now the case is under investigation dad and I are not allowed to speak to my brother directly although it was approved for dad to write asking for his things.

Has anyone got any idea where dad will stand over retrieving his belongings as clearly it is seperate from the case? For example there is his birth certificate, premium bond certificates & numbers and paid up life insurance documents but he cannot recall who with. I know he can get a copy of his birth certificate but is there a way of finding these other things out without the original documents? I know Dad mainly wants his sentimental things like mums letters around him for comfort as he feels he has lost all his security, his control over his life and everything that meant anything to him and it seems even these few worthless belongings may be being denied him.

Has anyone got any suggestions please?

DigForVictory

NanaNina - please try this site: http://www.mylostaccount.org.uk/
Please convey my respects for his 85th birthday & I hope the coming year is a bit less rough on you both.

letthemeatcake

I doubt your brother will have the guts to make any contact, even to hand over those last precious possessions. He knows he has let you all down. He somehow has managed to convince his Children that he had permission to take the money but hopefully they will learn the truth in the near future.

I also hope that your brother will learn to live within his means as there is nothing left to take.

Mojisola

NANANINANOONOO wrote: »

Has anyone got any idea where dad will stand over retrieving his belongings as clearly it is seperate from the case? For example there is his birth certificate, premium bond certificates & numbers and paid up life insurance documents but he cannot recall who with. I know he can get a copy of his birth certificate but is there a way of finding these other things out without the original documents? I know Dad mainly wants his sentimental things like mums letters around him for comfort as he feels he has lost all his security, his control over his life and everything that meant anything to him and it seems even these few worthless belongings may be being denied him.

When a couple split up and there is a risk of the resident partner not co-operating and handing over possessions, the local police will attend to make sure that things don't turn nasty.

Have a word with the police to explain the situation.

BobQ

NANANINANOONOO wrote: »

Has anyone got any idea where dad will stand over retrieving his belongings as clearly it is seperate from the case? For example there is his birth certificate, premium bond certificates & numbers and paid up life insurance documents but he cannot recall who with. I know he can get a copy of his birth certificate but is there a way of finding these other things out without the original documents? Has anyone got any suggestions please?

You may find your brother has fraudulently taken the premium bonds too. However, withdrawal payments are normally into your father's bank account or paid as a crossed warrant that can only be payed into your father's account. But given your brother has form on this do not be surprised if they have been fraudulently encashed too. If not your Dad should write to NS&I and tell them what has happened. The certificates are not transferable and can be cancelled and reissued as I understand it.

Paid up life policies do not always need the original policies (which often get lost) although if the provider cannot find evidence of the policy they do provide proof. See:

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/reclaim-lost-assets-free

aqua111

Best wishes to you and your Dad.Doubt if your Brother can slleep at night!!!