Selling V5 without car

londonTiger

I wouldn't say its a ringing kit. I looked up mk1 escort, it's an old car. This could easily be for building a car from scratch using various salvaged parts.

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Where do these V5 and chassis plates come from?

You would have thought that he could have sold the shell with the V5 & plates (even if it was badly damaged) for more than the total he could get for the V5 & plates and a shell with no identity.

I don't think you can use the shell as a classic racer without an identity..

Strange circumstance anyway

londonTiger

Actually I think you're right, I didn't think it through. I don't know the legalities of transferring the chassis plate from one car to another. I presume that is illegal. Even if you hand weld a chassis to an exact replica and factory standard you would have to apply for a new v5 for it?

TrickyWicky

londonTiger wrote: »

I wouldn't say its a ringing kit. I looked up mk1 escort, it's an old car. This could easily be for building a car from scratch using various salvaged parts.

Oh seriously get real. Who these days builds a car from scratch using scrap parts? It doesn't happen.

What does happen though is that car theives like to sell stolen cars with genuine looking identities.

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londonTiger wrote: »

Actually I think you're right, I didn't think it through. I don't know the legalities of transferring the chassis plate from one car to another. I presume that is illegal. Even if you hand weld a chassis to an exact replica and factory standard you would have to apply for a new v5 for it?

Strictly, you would have to go through a re registration process, and to keep the registration number, you have to have so many of the original car's major components.

In The Olden Days manufacturers were less interested in stamping a VIN number into the metal. Certainly old MGBs do not have one, and the identity is the pop riveted commision plates. Quite a few pre-1973 cars have had their identities transferred onto newer bodyshells to give them free-tax status. You can also buy a complete new bodyshell and put whatever identity you like on it, sometimes old cars that you need to move with a dustpan & brush can change hands for large sums of money and end up 'rebuilt'. Rebuilding a complete car onto a new bodyshell is perfectly legit.

Quite a few of the old racing cars you see in museums have been rebuilt from little more than a chassis plate and a couple of bits of twisted metal.

rdwarr

TrickyWicky wrote: »

Oh seriously get real. Who these days builds a car from scratch using scrap parts? It doesn't happen.

Not since Johnny Cash died, anyway.

forgotmyname

I bought a mini van that came with tax exempt paperwork, It was obvious to anyone that knew what the underbonnet should have looked like.

But it was before they were fetching ££££££ and it later turned out to be worth more as the genuine one of the last ones made.

It got reunited with its genuine paperwork. Only done to save the yearly tax and got shipped to Japan i think.

I made a couple of hundred £ off it.

toolmaker54

You only have to look on Ebay for a Mini Cooper V5, you can then turn a Mk1 shell worth £1000 into a Mk1 Cooper S worth between £15000 to £27000 with the right paperwork, parts and attention to detail.

You get this:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MKK-1-MORRIS-MINI-AUTOMATIC-RESTORATION-RALLY-HISTORIC-RACE-/130975498282?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1e7ebf802a

And with the V5 and bits change it to this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Austin-Mini-Cooper-S-/290967205541?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item43beff36a5

Not a Cooper but an example.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-mini-1965-COUNTRYMAN-TRAVELLER-ESTATE-memorabilia-package-log-book-/350851570886?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item51b0621cc6

Jamie_Carter

motorguy wrote: »

Aye i emailed him and let him know it had been picked up on and that he'd been reported to ebay.

I also stuck it on over on pistonheads, they take a dim view of it over there

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1049731&mid=101804&nmt=Ringing+kits+for+sale+on+ebay%2E%2E%2ENo+not+on+our+watch%21

Someone over there has reported it to the police and to the RS Owners club.

At least the RS owners club might do something about it.

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I'm still puzzled as to where these V5s come from, unless it is some sort of fiddle with exporting to Far Far Away Land without telling the DVLA and SORNing a now non-existent car.