Selling V5 without car

motorguy

mgdavid wrote: »

motorguy can you name the offence - and quote any case law?

As has already been put

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/fraud_act/#a13

Are you saying you think its ok to sell on an identity for fraudulent use?

motorguy

scotsman4th wrote: »

Theres more on ebay, same stuff is listed as memorabilia (to conform to ebay rules) for a mini.

Have you the link handy?

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fivetide wrote: »

Sadly happens with bikes a lot. They'll sell a frame and V5 from a crashed machine (not declared) which is easy to swap with a nicked one and put all the stolen parts on a seemingly legit machine.

still not been clamped down on.

Not necessarily,. It is possible to damage the frame in an accident and need a new frame. Brand new frames cost the earth, but come with no VIN number, usually you send the headstock to the manufacturer, and they will stamp your numbers on the new frame and destroy the headstock.

You obviously cannot fit a second hand frame and keep your own registration, so you need the details from the replacement.

Strictly, you have to apply for a new registration as a rebuilt vehicle, but you can keep the number that goes with the frame if you have the forks & wheels that came with the frame. As the forks and wheels are not recorded, no one can prove they are not the correct ones.

What actually happens most often is the 'bike gets built on the second hand frame, then a V5 is applied for with a change of engine number to match the one being used as nothing is recorded. The end result is the same, so although illegal it is not the crime of the century, just misses out some red tape.

Rolandtheroadie

motorguy wrote: »

Have you the link handy?

Just search for "mini v5c" on ebay and it's there.

motorguy

scotsman4th wrote: »

Just search for "mini v5c" on ebay and it's there.

Got it and reported!

rdwarr

It's here. Reported it as well.
Wonder if we're the only people watching it!

motorguy

rdwarr wrote: »

It's here. Reported it as well.
Wonder if we're the only people watching it!

And now gone!

:beer:

mgdavid

motorguy wrote: »

As has already been put
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/fraud_act/#a13
Are you saying you think its ok to sell on an identity for fraudulent use?

of course not for fraudulent use. The link you give explains why selling a V5 need not be illegal, it depends on the specific facts. For example if I have an old race car which came to me with no VIN or V5 etc, and need an identity for an HTP or VIF then finding a V5 for a very similar car and year is the solution. Car never goes near a public road (only on a trailer) and I have no intention of selling. No offence committed.

Should add I've not needed to do this myself as neither of my two cars are historic enough or posh enough to need an HTP or VIF.

mgdavid

motorguy wrote: »

Got it and reported!

It's like Russia in the 1950s - the thought police are round every corner.

motorguy

mgdavid wrote: »

It's like Russia in the 1950s - the thought police are round every corner.

So we should allow people to sell these 'ringing kits'?

Use them to make a car into something its not OR worse still, allow someones pride and joy thats been stolen back onto the road with a new identity?

THATS whats going to happen there.

But sure you go on living in your fantasy land where its really just some old geezer whos not really doing any harm going to buy these.