Looks like ebay has decied to change the law for business sellers

earthstorm

George_Michael wrote: »

That business being ******* and you being XXXXXXXXXXX.
I could also post your ebay seller details along with your address and phone number but I won't.

For someone that works with other peoples personal details, you are extremely lax with your own.
(and no, I haven't done anything underhand. All of the information is easily viewable from the details you have chosen to post on these forums)

never posted any personal details on these forums, so yes you have posted personal details on a public forum against forum rules.

chancesare_2

earthstorm wrote: »

never posted any personal details on these forums, so yes you have posted personal details on a public forum against forum rules.

Really, have you read post 88?

Current assets £0.

chancesare_2

Earthstore, in all seriousness, you should remove your link. At your age (b.1966) you shouldn't be giving so much away so easily. Full address, telephone number as George says, are only a click away. Along with your other company connections......

Edit the link. For your own good.

Looksguywalker

earthstorm wrote: »

never posted any personal details on these forums, so yes you have posted personal details on a public forum against forum rules.

Really? So any details posted are total guesses then Terry? How did that happen?

George_Michael

earthstorm wrote: »

never posted any personal details on these forums, so yes you have posted personal details on a public forum against forum rules.

The personal details that you say you never posted were read by me on the link that you posted for people to read

check https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.a...628f58636eaeab

Last point applies to web hosting as the buyer does not own anything to return, web hosting is where a buyer will for a monthly/annual fee hire space on a server, so what can they return. NOTHING.

just google DSforcustomers_rightsbuying1-1.pdf

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steveE2

earthstorm wrote: »

web hosting is a service of providing space on a server for end users/businesses to display their websites. so it is nothing that can be physically returned, they can cancel by completing a cancellation form and if they do this within the first 7 days they will get a refund less anything like domain registrations if ordered as these are registered by a domain registrar in the users name and cannot be cancelled once registered.

that page i linked is the one that refers to my business. I also have a copy of

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/distance-selling-downloads/Explained/DSexplained_PDF.pdf

So you agree that currently you supply a service available to business and consumer customers and that a consumer can cancel the hosting within the first 7 days.

This is entirely in line with current DSR's

What ebay are doing is in preparation of changes to these DSR's and changing there listing policy so that it includes a minimum 14 day return as the new regulations will provide.
They are saying if you want to list on ebay,from Autumn 2013 you will need to have a minimum 14 day return,as they are allowed.

Although current DSR's have a 7 day cancellation period,this is a minimum and there is nothing stopping a supplier having an improved offering.

earthstorm

steveE2 wrote: »

So you agree that currently you supply a service available to business and consumer customers and that a consumer can cancel the hosting within the first 7 days.

This is entirely in line with current DSR's

What ebay are doing is in preparation of changes to these DSR's and changing there listing policy so that it includes a minimum 14 day return as the new regulations will provide.
They are saying if you want to list on ebay,from Autumn 2013 you will need to have a minimum 14 day return,as they are allowed.

Although current DSR's have a 7 day cancellation period,this is a minimum and there is nothing stopping a supplier having an improved offering.

yes but DSR is going to be 14 days, only ebay setting this in place early

but as hosting falls under

goods which, by their nature, cannot be returned.

DSR does not apply as it is a service that cannot be returned, so after DSR rules are changed to 14 days as a host i can still offer 7 days MBG and still comply within the law. Yes i could change my site to 14 days, but it would mean having to pay to have banners etc. changed when their is no need. But ebay are not giving any member a choice to opt out of the 14 days min.

Strapped

Road_Hog wrote: »

Wrong. They will sell it on to debt collectors, but when you write to the debt collectors saying, I dispute this 'debt', I have no credit agreement with ebay/paypal, please consider this my full and final reply to you, please do enter enter into any other correspondence with me, verbal or written, other than court proceedings.

They then go away, because they know there isn't really a debt, they know that ebay/paypal are (in my case) on a very sticky wicket and it isn't worth there while expending time and effort on it.

Now, have you told ebay/paypal to take you to court? I have, twice, so I'm talking from experience. Have you been in the same/similar situation, what is your experience or are you just guessing?

How many years ago? (Has the time period for chasing of debts expired yet?)

steveE2

earthstorm wrote: »

yes but DSR is going to be 14 days, only ebay setting this in place early

but as hosting falls under

goods which, by their nature, cannot be returned.

DSR does not apply as it is a service that cannot be returned, so after DSR rules are changed to 14 days as a host i can still offer 7 days MBG and still comply within the law. Yes i could change my site to 14 days, but it would mean having to pay to have banners etc. changed when their is no need.But ebay are not giving any member a choice to opt out of the 14 days min.

Hosting does not fall under "goods which, by their nature, cannot be returned." as by your own admission it is not goods,it's a SERVICE,there is a lot more to the section you quote

• for example, where returning the goods is a physical impossibility or goods that cannot be restored to the same physical state they were supplied in, such as nylon tights that become distorted once worn. Hygiene related goods do not fall within this category
  – see the Items that raise health and safety concerns section for more information.
• perishable goods like fresh foods or fresh cut flowers
• audio or video recordings or computer software that the customer has unsealed
• newspapers, periodicals or magazines
• gaming, betting and lottery services.

The service part is

For services

• If you give your customer the required written information on or before the day the contract is concluded , their cancellation rights will last for seven working days, counting from the day after the contract was concluded.
• If the required written information is provided after the contract is concluded, but within three months (beginning the day after the contract was concluded), cancellation rights will last for seven working days after the information is received.

Unless, you and the customer agree to the service starting earlier than 7 days, the cancellation period ends when the service starts.

earthstorm

steveE2 wrote: »

Hosting does not fall under "goods which, by their nature, cannot be returned." as by your own admission it is not goods,it's a SERVICE,there is a lot more to the section you quote

The service part is
Unless, you and the customer agree to the service starting earlier than 7 days, the cancellation period ends when the service starts.

yes that does cover webhosting unless MSE users THINK they are the law.
Again i would take what TS and OFT say rather than NOBODIES on a public forum.