Channel 4 9pm

Brassedoff

925dancer wrote: »

Ever been on Gumtree and actually looked at the job ads? A massive percentage of them are scams. Actual genuine vacancies is very low.

But the fact remains, there are not as many job as unemployed, you can't fix that by sending them all to Rugby!

A. It was a question
B. I advertise vacancies on Gumtree for PAYE roles. The last one was £40K, + bonus, car, laptop, phone.

I do agree there are a lot of scams on there, but they are for the MLM and scam jobs on there.

KxMx

GlasweJen wrote: »

I was interested in how the 1949 rules worked for tenants housekeeping standards. Personally I think they should be brought back, employing house inspection officers and people to teach home skills would also create jobs.

The woman made a point about moving from the city and never being shown how to maintain a garden which is fair enough but I can't believe no one has ever shown her how to clean, tidy or put things away!

I also noticed that the single mum had no carpet on the stairs but 2 TV sets in her living room, uncarpeted stairs with a toddler is a bit of an accident waiting to happen is it not? The stairs didn't even look sanded down.

I live in a private let and we get a visit every 6 months to make sure our house is in order before we get a new tenancy so it's not as if the reintroduction of these rules would create a gap between council and private tenants - it would level the playing field.


I wasn't surprised that unmarried mothers were given no assistance but I am surprised that the woman in the programme didn't know this and expected 1949 to be kinder to her than 2013. I think she did realise that she had it fairly cushy when she learned the hard way that she does have nothing, she does rely on the charity of the state and "her children's sanctuary" is actually someone else's house - the councils.


I do think the current housing rules should be revised so that young girls who fall pregnant are not prioritised for a house, there should be a balance of people allocated because all the current system has done is create areas where you can't walk at night due to ghetto-ing long term benefit claimants and single mums - the areas are inevitably full of violence and drugs (I'm thinking of "the Gorbals" in Glasgow which despite a regeneration is still a scary place with a methodone queue stretching down the street at 8:45 every morning).

I live in a council house and we (along with all the other tenants) get inspected annually. After so many "passed" inspections at the highest rating you get moved down to every three years. Ours is certainly not the only social landlord to do so.

margaretclare

Brassedoff wrote: »

Yes, in a few years there will come a time when the interest rates go up and the government cannot afford the cost of the bonds. That will see this nation effectively like Greece, cannot pay its bills. That also means it will not be able to afford the bills that it currently has to pay, JSA, ESA, Pension top up and tax credits.

Put it simply the 1950's again. It will happen, many in the finance community can see it on the way.

In the 1950s the difference was that there were plenty of jobs. So many that we had to invite people in from the West Indies, from Pakistan (no problem then, it was all part of the Empire) to fill the jobs. They didn't come because we were too lazy to do them, there were simply more jobs than people to fill them. I worked in the employment office in the mid-50s and there really was a very low unemployment rate - the only ones were the people who were almost unemployable or very difficult to place, criminal records etc. We didn't just put up vacancies for people to look at and apply themselves - we used to go through the unemployment register and really try to find jobs for individual people.

However, those jobs did actually pay you money. Will this be the case in the scenario you're describing? I've heard of people in e.g. Greece who still have a job, there's work that needs doing, but no one is able to pay them.

liam8282

margaretclare wrote: »

In the 1950s the difference was that there were plenty of jobs. So many that we had to invite people in from the West Indies, from Pakistan (no problem then, it was all part of the Empire) to fill the jobs. They didn't come because we were too lazy to do them, there were simply more jobs than people to fill them. I worked in the employment office in the mid-50s and there really was a very low unemployment rate - the only ones were the people who were almost unemployable or very difficult to place, criminal records etc. We didn't just put up vacancies for people to look at and apply themselves - we used to go through the unemployment register and really try to find jobs for individual people.

However, those jobs did actually pay you money. Will this be the case in the scenario you're describing? I've heard of people in e.g. Greece who still have a job, there's work that needs doing, but no one is able to pay them.

It is still the same today, why do you think so many eastern europeans come here to work? Yes, you get those that play the benefits system, just as you do with the people born and bred here. But you also get those that come here to work and get as much money as they can.

They come here to do the jobs that the british see as beneath them.

The latest statistics show that there are about 0.5m jobs available. There are jobs, just jobs that people don't want to do.

When you have so much freedom and choice, ie work for a living, or claim benefits for the same standard of living, it is little wonder that people choose not to work.

schrodie

liam8282 wrote: »

The latest statistics show that there are about 0.5m jobs available. There are jobs, just jobs that people don't want to do.

There are also 973,000 Here 16 to 24 year olds unemployed not to mention the unemployed adults all chasing or trying to get these 500,000 jobs.

The maths isn't that complicated however someone should explain it to this tory toff who wouldn't know reality if it bit him in his privileged @rse! Here

liam8282

schrodie wrote: »

There are also 973,000 Here 16 to 24 year olds unemployed not to mention the unemployed adults all chasing or trying to get these 500,000 jobs.

The maths isn't that complicated however someone should explain it to this tory toff who wouldn't know reality if it bit him in his privileged @rse! Here

So explain, 973,000 people wanting jobs, 500,000 jobs available.

Why is it not, 473,000 people wanting jobs, 0 jobs available?

margaretclare

liam8282 wrote: »

It is still the same today, why do you think so many eastern europeans come here to work? Yes, you get those that play the benefits system, just as you do with the people born and bred here. But you also get those that come here to work and get as much money as they can.

No, it is most definitely NOT the same today! Not at all. For a start, in the 1950s we had major industries, many of which have now disappeared. There was a lot of rebuilding/reconstruction to be done following bomb damage. There was a smaller population overall. There was less expectation for married women to work, although many did so. For young men 18-20 who weren't in an apprenticeship, education or a 'special' occupation e.g. the Merchant Navy or mining, they were taken out of the work-force and put into the armed forces. It is hugely different.

DH and I lived through those times. He's one of a minority of men of his generation who was never in the forces. Reason: by the time he was out of his apprenticeship during which he was 'deferred', he had knee surgery which meant that he was unfit. I always worked, and in the mid-50s I worked in the employment service, what later became the JobCentre. I saw it at first hand.

Incidentally, there are 3 members of my extended family who can only find work through agencies. They're more or less always in temporary work.

liam8282

Margretclare - ok maybe not exactly the same, but you get my point.

Many foreign workers still come here, are actively encouraged to come here to work. They couldn't do this if there is no work.

The fact is their is work, just work British people don't want to do.

schrodie

liam8282 wrote: »

So explain, 973,000 people wanting jobs, 500,000 jobs available.

Ok I'll try.

The 973,000 16 -24 year olds is the number of people according to the ONS (that's the Office for National Statistics) who are un-emp-loyed i.e. they've got no job.

Got that???

Now the ~500,000 jobs available are again according to the ONS (see above) is the figure for the number of vacancies i.e. available jobs.

Also don't forget the 1million+ other un-emp-loyed people who are older than 24 who are also chasing (going after) these ~500,000 vacancies.

Can you take it from there???

dori2o

liam8282 wrote: »

Margretclare - ok maybe not exactly the same, but you get my point.

Many foreign workers still come here, are actively encouraged to come here to work. They couldn't do this if there is no work.

The fact is their is work, just work British people don't want to do.

Thats absolute garbage. Propaganda being peddled by the Tories and their mouthpieces to justify their purge on the most vulnerable in society.

The majority of eastern europeans are working for less than NMW and in conditions your wouldn't allow an animal to live in.

British employers won't hire Britisah workers as those employers don't want to play by the rules. They don't want to pay holidays pay, provide safe environments, or ensure they provide their employees with their statutory rights.