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~Chameleon~

liam8282 wrote: »

I give up! :beer:

Hallelujah!!

oldboy64

cbrown372 wrote: »

Hope the drumming is going well Andy and I'm sure we can confirm your grit and determination due to your repeated signing up on this website after getting banned time and again.

Huh?????????????

oldboy64

GlasweJen wrote: »

There's a council estate in an area of south Lanarkshire that replaced all of the tenants gardens with AstroTurf because the tenants couldn't/wouldn't maintain them. The gardens are now all regulation length plan grass surrounded by fencing with no gate to give the appearance of a well kept garden while preventing tenants defacing the grass. Within the fences you see dirty nappies, broken TVs, abandoned furniture etc because the tenants just open their windows and throw out anything they don't want and can't be bothered to take down to the bins.

So where do they put the car on bricks?

And don't anybody tell me it never happens. My brother in law lives on a council estate in Manchester and his next door neighbour has one car on it's side where the front garden should be and two more down the side of the house, both on bricks.

The back garden is only used by the dogs and you can guess what that is like!!!

The estate is quite aptly named - 'Dog Sh*t Island'

abudabi

GlasweJen wrote: »

There's a council estate in an area of south Lanarkshire that replaced all of the tenants gardens with AstroTurf because the tenants couldn't/wouldn't maintain them. The gardens are now all regulation length plan grass surrounded by fencing with no gate to give the appearance of a well kept garden while preventing tenants defacing the grass. Within the fences you see dirty nappies, broken TVs, abandoned furniture etc because the tenants just open their windows and throw out anything they don't want and can't be bothered to take down to the bins.

And just to even the playing field there are plenty of dirty scruffy homeowners who are not proud of where they live, i know i have seen them

~Chameleon~

abudabi wrote: »

And just to even the playing field there are plenty of dirty scruffy homeowners who are not proud of where they live, i know i have seen them

Precisely, and there are also plenty of council and HA tenants that keep their homes and gardens in pristine condition. It's called pride!

Brassedoff

liam8282 wrote: »

"He was living in a 5-bed house in Zimbabwe, so didn't come from "nothing". He was also willing to work even when he discovered he was being paid less than fellow workers as an immigrant."

Must admit, I must have missed that bit. I still don't understand how people from other countries can come to the UK and have that feeling of entitlement.

I do applaud his work ethic though, that too of the Polish worker he was with.

The Polish guy came here in 2002? worked ever since and has saved enough to buy a house.
I have always said that there is plenty of work out there, for people that actually want to work. It may not be a job you want to do, but there is work.

I count 23 other countries between his and the UK. He could have had safety in South Africa, but I suppose there was no unemployment or housing benefit there.

I note his first words were "I feel I have been discriminated". Yet never took the same leaf from the cabbage picker who after being on min wage, had earned enough to get a house!!

To soft, too weak, too often everyone comes here.

GlasweJen

Difference between a home owner and a tenant is that it's the persons own house to dirty up just as they like. Council houses belong to the council so by extension the tax payer so it's quite right that they are treated with respect and looked after - I certainly wouldn't borrow something then wreck it!

And the area I'm talking about doesn't so much have cars on bricks, more cars in various stages of being burned out, it's definitely not a place you'd walk through at night or even during the day if you could help it.

Brassedoff

925dancer wrote: »

I finally caught up on both these shows last night. As per usual, particularly with last nights programme, they've picked the benefit scrounging stereotypes for the show. How anyone can watch these and think it's a fair representation of anything is beyond me, let alone use it for tenuous arguments about how bad the welfare state is. Even the people in the roles of benefits officers have been quite uncomfortable at times.

As for all those people harping on about there being plenty of jobs if you look hard enough. There are roughly 4 people to every vacancy at the moment with as many as 35 people competing for one minimum wage role. So the numbers simply don't stack up, not everyone can find work, not by a long shot.

I was unemployed last year, a former professional on a reasonable wage. I applied for everything, yes everything I could, form minimum wage up, sending out hundreds of applications. I looked hard. I did eventually find a minimum wage job but only after deciding to return to university to retrain.

I am bored of benefits bashing on the basis of misinformation and Daily Mail stereotypes. As the show has stated, our biggest welfare spend is pensioners, shall we just take their money off them, would save us loads!

You might want to move to Rugby then. It still has a plus unemployment rate, even now. It's 2.7%!

During the adverts in the film on ITV 2, Gum Tree were advertising thousands of vacancies. I suppose none of those could be filled by a JSA or better ESA living off the states charity.

Notice that too, they did not like the charity description, today claimant friendly use of "customer" instead of claimant, or recipient

Brassedoff

margaretclare wrote: »

. Can we ever get back that sturdy, independent attitude - which used to be so characteristic of the people we were once? I don't know. I doubt it.

Yes, in a few years there will come a time when the interest rates go up and the government cannot afford the cost of the bonds. That will see this nation effectively like Greece, cannot pay its bills. That also means it will not be able to afford the bills that it currently has to pay, JSA, ESA, Pension top up and tax credits.

Put it simply the 1950's again. It will happen, many in the finance community can see it on the way.

925dancer

Brassedoff wrote: »

You might want to move to Rugby then. It still has a plus unemployment rate, even now. It's 2.7%!

During the adverts in the film on ITV 2, Gum Tree were advertising thousands of vacancies. I suppose none of those could be filled by a JSA or better ESA living off the states charity.

Notice that too, they did not like the charity description, today claimant friendly use of "customer" instead of claimant, or recipient

Ever been on Gumtree and actually looked at the job ads? A massive percentage of them are scams. Actual genuine vacancies is very low.

But the fact remains, there are not as many job as unemployed, you can't fix that by sending them all to Rugby!