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~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Maybe that's because disabled people are often NOT SICK!! It really annoys me when people view the physically disabled as sick or incapable. Many are not and are in fact extremely healthy!!

However, people with ill health ARE SICK!! Big difference!

Yes, they are sick trying to claim to be disabled as it entitles you to a host of extra benefits and a nice blue badge.

boom.

JS477

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Because there is a far higher incidence of sickness these days thanks to the food industry giants and pharmaceutical companies!

And nothing to do with the fact that he population is somewhat higher than in 1949 and employers today are far more reluctant to take on someone who's sick/disabled unlike in 1949 they were actively encouraged.

nannytone_2

and in 1949 there was a shortage of workers due to the war.
the economy was growing and they wanted everyone and anyone that was able to do anything to work!
how technology means that fewer and fewer people are needed to do the same amount of work.
plus we have an ever increasing population.

just look at the reason for the long sum,mer holidays.
in rural areas, the children were neded to help bring the harvests in.
now it is done by a few people with big machines.

until we get a manufacturing base back in this country, we will never have anything near to full employment.

at the same time, th employers have their pick of the job deekers.
does anyone seriously think that they will go out of their way to employ someone with a disability that means thy cant guarantee that they wont need regular time off?

oldboy64

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

So how about rural communities that have limited bus service and those buses aren't wheelchair friendly? My own village has two buses a week. The neighbouring village at least has an hourly service but only between 7am and 6pm Mon-Sat, no Sunday service. The nearest town is over an hour away by bus. If you work shifts you're stuffed!

Most people in 1949 had a pushbike!

~Chameleon~

oldboy64 wrote: »

Most people in 1949 had a pushbike!

You'd have to be fairly talented to ride a pushbike whilst sat in a wheelchair!

tomtom256

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

You'd have to be fairly talented to ride a pushbike whilst sat in a wheelchair!

Not really if it's been adapted for a disabled person. Hand pedals, low to the ground frame etc.

oldboy64

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

You'd have to be fairly talented to ride a pushbike whilst sat in a wheelchair!

They also had hand cranked three wheel trikes for the disabled complete with a fully cushioned seat. This was later improved on when they started handing out 'plastic pigs' in the 60's.

my late uncle had both!

You see, there is always an answer to the problem.

KxMx

oldboy64 wrote: »

They also had hand cranked three wheel trikes for the disabled complete with a fully cushioned seat. This was later improved on when they started handing out 'plastic pigs' in the 60's.

my late uncle had both!

You see, there is always an answer to the problem.

Yes, certainly an answer for anyone who could self propel.

Not for those that couldn't though.

~Chameleon~

oldboy64 wrote: »

They also had hand cranked three wheel trikes for the disabled complete with a fully cushioned seat. This was later improved on when they started handing out 'plastic pigs' in the 60's.

my late uncle had both!

You see, there is always an answer to the problem.

And would they have been expected to propel themselves distances in excess of 10-20 miles in order to seek work, as has been suggested above by the use of public transport?

JoolzS

To anyone who has posted to this thread who thinks that sick and/or disabled people should just get a job - while at work tomorrow take a really good look around. See if it would be at all reasonable for a disabled person to work there. I'll pick an obvious example - a person in a wheelchair. Could they reasonably access the building you work in (including transport - where's the nearest bus-stop and what are the timetables for the wheelchair accessible buses that stop there, or the train, or even the nearest carpark - are there easily accessible ramps across the roads from the carpark to your place of work?) Could they access the toilets? Could they easily move from their desk to another, just to ask a question; or use a photocopier? (Even as I typed that I realised that every copier I have ever used has been set up for someone who is standing - the lid couldn't be opened properly by a sitting person). For just one seven or eight hour period, try to consider how difficult it might be for someone who is not completely able-bodied to do the job you do.

Then, on Tuesday, borrow a pair of crutches and try doing your job, from door to door - not just in your place of work. You obviously can't use your car to get to work - but apparently public transport is so readily available you should be able to get there ok. (I may have to rethink this idea, because just using crutches isn't that difficult - the pain caused by the injuries/disabilities necessitating the use of crutches is the problem - but I can't see a way to mimic that - other than breaking a bone or two.)

Then, on Wednesday, think about how someone with mental health issues might cope with your a**hole boss/co-worker/customers.

On Thursday, ask your boss why your company doesn't employ more disabled people - no- demand that they employ more. Tell them that if they don't employ at least one (more) disabled person you will quit. I know that 99.9999% of you wouldn't consider doing such a thing because you want to hang on to your job. You know how bad it is out there and you don't want to be unemployed (even though you believe that every unemployed person is living the life of Riley).

Then, the next time you get sick enough to feel you have to take time off from work, think about how you'd feel if you had to drag yourself into work even though the pain or diarrhoea or vomiting or migraine, etc, was basically how you felt every single day.

And then consider how you might stop thinking that every sick and/or disabled person could just get a job if they applied themselves!

I am sick to death of seeing holier than thous attempting to tell sick and disabled people who are living on benefits that if they just tried harder they could work for a living.

(Before anyone asks - I have mental health issues that keep me from working. I was claiming IB, then ESA but have now timed out of ESA because the stress of attending the ATOS reviews was too much for me. I am in the very fortunate position of having a husband who earns enough to pay our bills. However, when his back gives out and I can see the absolute agony in his eyes it terrifies me that we might one day be reliant on the welfare state - and people who think that he should just "get a job". I am also incredibly jealous of anyone who has never had to see a loved one in agonizing pain.)