Arriva Fare Evasion

jacques_chirac

TomFTJ wrote: »

re this needless ticket squabble and outrageous treatment of a young person . . . (which. . . actually is the point).



(a) Since when has it been a criminal offence of strict liability to not be in a possession of a train ticket on a train?


(b) Any prosecution (in this example, in 2011) would fail because it could not be proved that the boy had no intention to pay for his ride.


(Judicial review would rapidly straighten out any 'carrier's' bullying powers, if required.)

In any event, bullying corporate employees forget that they, in fact, break the law by their abusive and intimidatory behaviour.


No one rational would tolerate bullying behaviour from an individual. Why put up with it from a grubby rail company? Power drunk leeches who are a disgrace to the UK.


Ring any bells? (Pun intended.) MP anyone? !!!!

Someone has started early on the shandies today!

yorkshireman2

Exactly the same thing happened to me many years ago. And when I say exactly I mean a total mirror of this situation.

I ended up having to go to court to defend myself and won the case. I was seriously worried at the time as I didn't have two beans to rub together. I think the judge could sense my sincerity, and when he ruled in my favour the other people in court (the ushers or whatever they call them) all started clapping. It was like something from a film.

Hopefully, your story has a happy ending too :-)

yorkie2

TomFTJ wrote: »

re this needless ticket squabble and outrageous treatment of a young person . . . (which. . . actually is the point).



(a) Since when has it been a criminal offence of strict liability to not be in a possession of a train ticket on a train?

About 10 yrs ago, it's an appalling law however it is not a recordable offence, and no person is committing the offence if there were no facilities to purchase at their origin.

In this case, there were no facilities to purchase using the chosen, valid, payment method.

So a decent lawyer would win the case.

TomFTJ wrote: »

(b) Any prosecution (in this example, in 2011) would fail because it could not be proved that the boy had no intention to pay for his ride.

A prosecution under the RoRA would fail for that reason, but the strict liability Byelaws do not require intent.

TomFTJ wrote: »

(Judicial review would rapidly straighten out any 'carrier's' bullying powers, if required.)


In any event, bullying corporate employees forget that they, in fact, break the law by their abusive and intimidatory behaviour.


No one rational would tolerate bullying behaviour from an individual. Why put up with it from a grubby rail company? Power drunk leeches who are a disgrace to the UK.


Ring any bells? (Pun intended.) MP anyone? !!!!

Not all rail companies are as bad as you say, but I agree some are.

yorkshireman2 wrote: »

Exactly the same thing happened to me many years ago. And when I say exactly I mean a total mirror of this situation.

I ended up having to go to court to defend myself and won the case. I was seriously worried at the time as I didn't have two beans to rub together. I think the judge could sense my sincerity, and when he ruled in my favour the other people in court (the ushers or whatever they call them) all started clapping. It was like something from a film.

Hopefully, your story has a happy ending too :-)

I would like to know more about this!