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Nice People Thread Part 9 - and so it continues

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  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
    I've been Money Tipped!
    Lydia...its the damage to clothes and curtains that makes me pause.....and think doors....
  • misskool wrote: »
    I can't believe you two haven't met. Not that I have met ndg but it would seem natural that you both should have met sooner.

    (that sounded weird and stalkerish but you know what I meant)

    Never met any NP until in London a few weeks ago when Gen popped in to town from Oz, and now LIR.
    GDB2222 wrote: »
    Polygamy - being told what to do by more than one wife? :eek:

    I think polygamy frequently arises in the type of societies were wives are, in general, supposed to shut up and do what they're told. Not always, but mostly, I reckon?

    I think Oscar Wilde said something like "Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same".
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Spirit wrote: »
    Overjoyed at being included in the same breath as the others.

    As you have the power, could you designate me to be about 20 years younger?


    Um. Nope. Sorry!

    As requested, silver, no quoting - but lots of sympathy.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Yorkie1
    Yorkie1 Posts: 12,085 Forumite
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    Silver, I've only been on this thread for a few days but I wanted to express my sympathy for you and all your family too :(
  • Spirit_2
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    Silvercar

    About to speak out of turn, so I will delete it if you ask. I would be angry too and given your account of your mothers recent behaviour I rather meanly think this was selfish/attention seeking rather than a cry for help. May misjudge this completely as we do not hear her side but your account seems fair from your perspective.

    Rather than taking her on holiday with you, I think you need some space. Perhaps you and she could go together in a while when you can talk things through on more neutral territory.

    It sound like she is button pushing , wants support on her terms onlyand prepared to be manipulative to control you.

    She is only 73, bereavement is awful but you lost your dad too.
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    silvercar wrote: »
    (Please don't quote).

    Oh silvercar. I'm so sorry.

    It sounds to me like a complication of her grief and bereavement. She does not see any way forward without her husband that she thinks she would be happy with, but in fact just because she cannot see it at present doesn't mean there isn't one that she could be helped towards. You should have a chance to talk to her psych doctor, and if they don't offer it you must ask for it. Tell them everything. Do not worry about respecting her confidence. She is unwell, and they need to know.
    :kisses3::kisses3::kisses3:

    I do understand.

    I know my stance makes it sound uncaring, but I think I can probably only say it sounding less heinous because you know I'd love a child.

    The area 'lottery' aspect of health care is particularly depressing I think.

    lir, you have shown over and over again on here that you are not at all an uncaring person. And I think it's true in so many contexts that the people who have been there and suffered through whatever-it-is do have more of a ... mandate (not quite the right word but can't think of a better one) to speak.

    It's why I don't usually say much about infertility funding - I see that the pot is limited, but who am I to make impossible judgements like that, when I conceived easily myself? I do feel, though, that the life-saving vs preference/vanity argument isn't the best place to start thinking about the issue. It wouldn't threaten my life or DS's if I had to manage without my prescription for migraines, or his for acne, but most people don't mind the NHS treating those because they're cheap. So I think any discussion about what the NHS should and shouldn't fund has to be honest and admit that it's fundamentally about allocation of resources, uncomfortable as that may feel, and not about some kind of moral superiority of life-saving treatments over other things. (I do agree the postcode element is dreadful.)
    Nikkster wrote: »
    I expect I will be emailing on whatever I am calling 'my thesis' late tomorrow evening. I will of course announce it on here.

    Yay! Will look forward to hearing about it.

    Please plan yourself something fun, and preferably utterly frivolous, as a reward.
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • zagubov
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    edited 30 August 2013 at 10:14PM
    Bugslet, sc, allthesss. Don't know what to say.

    My p and m are thankfully still going on and, if they're forgetful, I'm not noticing it yet. More aware that when I visit them we're more hassle than they need. OTOH, there's no hotel for miles where we could stay when visiting. Well aware that as I only see them two or three times a year, got to keep visiting regularly while they've the health to put up with us.

    Can delete
    There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker
  • PasturesNew
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    LydiaJ wrote: »
    They still do - although the invites usually feature phone numbers for parents who prefer to reply by text.
    Until I was 10 all my friends lived within 3 doors away. All of them.

    Then we moved and there weren't any kids to play with, so I had no mates.

    Then I went to big school and had to catch 2 buses - and nobody else went to that school, so had no mates there. Catchment area must have been 15 miles of the school, and the school was out of town, so everybody went in different directions.

    So, until I was 10, all invites would have been 2-3 doors away..... so I'd have seen those kids whatever.

    Didn't have parties after 10, not sure if we couldn't afford to have 3-4 kids round for jam sandwiches, biscuits and orange squash - or I simply had nobody to invite.
  • LydiaJ
    LydiaJ Posts: 8,083 Forumite
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    Lydia...its the damage to clothes and curtains that makes me pause.....and think doors....

    For a moment this bewildered me. I couldn't see what damage tattooing your eyebrows could do to your clothes, let alone your curtains, and it took a while before I realised you were thinking about your bathroom. :rotfl:
    Spirit wrote: »
    Silvercar

    About to speak out of turn, so I will delete it if you ask. I would be angry too ...

    She is only 73, bereavement is awful but you lost your dad too.

    Yes, but bereavement is different for everyone. It sounds as though their marriage was what I think is called "enmeshed" so that now he is gone she really doesn't know how to cope, and doesn't even want to be independent.

    Although I couldn't agree more about the importance of silvercar not letting the demands of the situation overwhelm her or damage her own life and marriage.

    Silvercar, would you consider reading this? It's written from a Christian perspective, so there would be some bits you'd want to skim over, but it really is the best thing I know on how to stop people manipulating you while continuing to love them. Also, by one of the same authors, there's this one, developing the theme further by relating it to the particular case where ending the relationship isn't an option - eg with a family member.
    Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
    Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
    Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
    :)
  • PasturesNew
    PasturesNew Posts: 70,698 Forumite
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    Fir has asked me not to do this
    Watch the trailer for the new TV programme Educating Yorkshire. One girl's sitting at her desk and says "eyebrows... I shaved them off" - she had some, so not sure what she'd done.

    She's at 50 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN4eLTUy5CA
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