Nice People Thread Part 9 - and so it continues

Spirit_2

PasturesNew wrote: »

If it helps, I don't see why IVF is funded at all. If I were running the NHS I'd do it on a loan basis, with loan rates and costs "at cost", so not profit making, but not a financial drain.

Not having kids isn't life threatening, there needs to be an "At Cost, Vanity and Preference Service" separate.

Healthcare is about more than solving lifethreatening problems. It is about improving quality of life by therapeutic/medical intervention too.

For many people infertility is overcome because medicine can do this.

Quality of life is/may be diminished if a couple are wanting children when they are not turning up . Assistance is not unlimited and I strongly support it being available to more than those with personal fortunes.

My 25 year old sil took her own life 24 years ago when depression overwhelmed her, infertility contributed to how she felt, and there were fewer solutions back then.


To those who would like a baby, enjoy trying and seek what ever help you need at the earliest points to give yourselves the best chance.

I would spend savings on this if I needed to.

If it helps, just think of Mr S spending £15 grand on his teeth. We are about £6000 down so far and there really is b*gger all to show for it but I love him and it matters to him.

vivatifosi

misskool wrote: »

this would be resolved by having a husband who doesn't have previous children :rotfl: but you can't pick and choose who you fall in love with

Bl**dy ridiculous. You have to divorce, be a single mum, then remarry. Now that really would be playing the system.

I wonder if people divorce and remarry when they have a couple of houses to sell.

lostinrates

Spirit wrote: »

Healthcare is about more than solving lifethreatening problems. It is about improving quality of life by therapeutic/medical intervention too.

For many people infertility is overcome because medicine can do this.

Quality of life is/may be diminished if a couple are wanting children when they are not turning up . Assistance is not unlimited and I strongly support it being available to more than those with personal fortunes.

My 25 year old sil took her own life 24 years ago when depression overwhelmed her, infertility contributed to how she felt, and there were fewer solutions back then.


To those who would like a baby, enjoy trying and seek what ever help you need at the earliest points to give yourselves the best chance.

I would spend savings on this if I needed to.

If it helps, just think of Mr S spending £15 grand on his teeth. We are about £6000 down so far and there really is b*gger all to show for it but I love him and it matters to him.

I don't think anyone suggests its an easy call spirit, But faced there is a limited pot.

neverdespairgirl

lostinrates wrote: »

I like being glamourous, I can live with that thank you (though how one is glamourous in jeans and a t shirt and a cardi not that sure! I was envying your lovely dress) but not AS scary? I was scary?

It was fabulous to meet you both! I was enchanted by Isaac, and don't think he disgraced himself at all, in fact, I was very impressed at how charming he was. Another nice child. Don't know how all you nice people do it but there are some real treasures being raised

I didn't find you scary at all. But definitely glamourous, not only that gorgeous hair, but amazing sparkingly green eyes, and an air of pulled-together-dressedness that some people acheive a lot (you, FC, Spirit, Nikkster) and I never really get the hang of!

Isaac was pretty well behaved most of the time, but he'd been promised Roman Stuff, so after lunch, and ice-cream (parental bribary to shut him up, but it worked!) he felt the time had come. I suppose he did invite you to join us, so it wasn't all rude.

We were there for about 4 hours, and another 3 today. We also discovered that in the new baths, the ones where you can actually go in the spring waters yourself, almost all of them are adults-only, and one allows 12-18 year olds, but no-one younger. So Isaac was designated, by me, as a 12 year old. He'd have felt it a real swizz to be excluded altogether.

We were the only people in the 18th century thermal bath for our alloted 90 minutes, and it was lovely - horribly expensive, though, £24 for 90 minutes max!

misskool

lostinrates wrote: »

I like being glamourous, I can live with that thank you (though how one is glamourous in jeans and a t shirt and a cardi not that sure! I was envying your lovely dress) but not AS scary? I was scary?

It was fabulous to meet you both! I was enchanted by Isaac, and don't think he disgraced himself at all, in fact, I was very impressed at how charming he was. Another nice child. Don't know how all you nice people do it but there are some real treasures being raised

I can't believe you two haven't met. Not that I have met ndg but it would seem natural that you both should have met sooner.

(that sounded weird and stalkerish but you know what I meant)

misskool

Spirit wrote: »

Healthcare is about more than solving lifethreatening problems. It is about improving quality of life by therapeutic/medical intervention too.

For many people infertility is overcome because medicine can do this.

Quality of life is/may be diminished if a couple are wanting children when they are not turning up . Assistance is not unlimited and I strongly support it being available to more than those with personal fortunes.

My 25 year old sil took her own life 24 years ago when depression overwhelmed her, infertility contributed to how she felt, and there were fewer solutions back then.


To those who would like a baby, enjoy trying and seek what ever help you need at the earliest points to give yourselves the best chance.

I would spend savings on this if I needed to.

If it helps, just think of Mr S spending £15 grand on his teeth. We are about £6000 down so far and there really is b*gger all to show for it but I love him and it matters to him.

It takes a long time to get used to the idea that you can't get pregnant no matter how much s£x you have :rotfl: :cool:

But then again, we have had to save and scrimp to be able to be in a reasonable position to even consider going private but only because it's the main thing for me.

Some CCG's allow women with previous children access to clomiphene and most will allow a referral with no IVF. My CCG uses an access pathway so we aren't even allowed a referral.

Ugh, talking about this just makes me upset. Sorry, will stop now.

lostinrates

misskool wrote: »

It takes a long time to get used to the idea that you can't get pregnant no matter how much s£x you have :rotfl: :cool:

But then again, we have had to save and scrimp to be able to be in a reasonable position to even consider going private but only because it's the main thing for me.

Some CCG's allow women with previous children access to clomiphene and most will allow a referral with no IVF. My CCG uses an access pathway so we aren't even allowed a referral.

Ugh, talking about this just makes me upset. Sorry, will stop now.

:kisses3::kisses3::kisses3:


I do understand.

I know my stance makes it sound uncaring, but I think I can probably only say it sounding less heinous because you know I'd love a child.

The area 'lottery' aspect of health care is particularly depressing I think.

Nikkster

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

an air of pulled-together-dressedness that some people acheive a lot (you, FC, Spirit, Nikkster)

:eek:
I almost spat out my drink then.
I haven't had a shower since yesterday (morning), and am dressed in my finest slob clothes. I'm sure I have an air of something about me, but it's definitely not pulled together anythingness

Nikkster

Missk - I hope you haven't got a weekend of going into the lab planned. I think you need to do something nice and non-work related this weekend.

Spirit_2

lostinrates wrote: »

I don't think anyone suggests its an easy call spirit, But faced there is a limited pot.

There probably is less justification for 4th and 5th/6th line cancer treatments which make people very sick for the last few months/weeks but prolong hope.

Health economics, ethics and the daily wail readership. Who would want to be the decision makers who find themselves choosing what goes into the post code offering.