Parents who force their children into religion?

seven-day-weekend

VestanPance wrote: »

Making uneducated decisions is not open minded, it's simple minded.

:rotfl::rotfl: if you say so. It is you that has the closed and simple mind, not me. I was prepared to expect the unexpected, you are not.

I was actually quite nervous when I first became a Christian. I was thirty, I'd been married ten years and had a young child, I was going into a realm I knew nothing about, a whole new world-view, I did not know what to expect at all. I was nervous about going to church and asked my friend to hold my hand and sit next to me. I was scared to have anyone pray for me....do you really think I would have chosen that just out of a sense of wanting something comfortable? I could just have stayed how I was if I'd have wanted comfortable. No, I had to go with what I had found to be real. It would have been hypocritical to do otherwise.

VestanPance

It's true brainwashing of people by organised religion is very real as your story clearly shows.

seven-day-weekend

VestanPance wrote: »

It's true brainwashing of people by organised religion is very real as your story clearly shows.

I didn't attend church until after I had become a Christian. I was brought up in an atheist family and was an atheist myself until I was 30.

Anyway, you won't see it until you see it, and this conversation is going nowhere, I think we will have to agree to differ.

lostinrates

VestanPance wrote: »

Science is fact. Belief is ignorance at best, corruption at worst.

Well......not quite.

Science is statistical likely good really. Fact is what we take as true in such circumstances rather than what is true, A lot of very poor science happens when we forget that.


This link has quite a nice little definition of fact for scientific purpose.

http://ncse.com/evolution/education/definitions-fact-theory-law-scientific-work


A lot of very excellent and ground breaking scientists are also religious. http://www.theguardian.com/science/occams-corner/2013/mar/04/myth-scientists-religion-hating-atheists

seven-day-weekend

Great link there from the Grauniad, LIR

lostinrates

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Great link there from the Grauniad, LIR

Not my normal style but I thought on skim it looked an appropriate piece. I was just going to mention a few, then wondered if I was right in some or if I'd misremembered or was being inappropriate in mentioning something not public, so googled and that came up so thought...that'll do....:D

DavidMackie

If you're going to push your child into religion, at least make it an intellectual and vital pursuit like Thelema. This decayed western religion has no inventiveness and was long ago hijacked by power troupe's. Communication with the numinous is a personal affair - just as the Gnostic texts of Jesus tell us ( though jesus was of course some kind of myth and not really a man. Why, you ask? Well, there was never a census at galilea - we have all roman records on census and galilea never copped it.... also we have all the records of Menai of the Menanites, who lived in the 5th c A.D. We know the name of his dog, we have his tax returns, etc. There is not record of Christ anywhere until an oblique mention of Chrispus coming to Rome in 50 A.D and causing trouble.)

beliefs and dogma are no subistitue for love under will!

lostinrates

Hmmm. There seem to be a disproportionate number of teenage boys interested in thelema in my experience!

seven-day-weekend

It is an occultic religion started by Alastair Crowley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema

DavidMackie

there's a huge number of adults into it too, the whole culture is thriving in the UK. its about dissolution of dogma. there is no faith, but only physical experience. along these lines you try a bunch of meditative and visualisation techniques and try to change your patterns of thought and break free into more joyous experience. quite hard work.