Speeding offence

facade

Rover_Driver wrote: »

A later offence involving points can be committed during the validity of the 3 years, but the case may not be dealt with until after, but those points will still count as the date is from the date of the offence, so it is shown on the licence for 4 years.

So hypothetically, I got caught by a camera April 2010, again June 2010 and once again in July 2010 = 9 points.

I then get caught again in September 2013 and will have 12 points on my licence, but only got 3 of them in the last 3 years so no totting-up ban?

Aretnap

Enfieldian wrote: »

The FPN(E) route is not available in this case and never was.

As I said, the New Drivers Act makes provision for him to get a FPN(E) - Sections 2 (3) and 2 (4). The procedure is

(1) He surrenders his licence, pays the £60 and has it endorsed
(2) The fixed penalty clerk sees that he now has 6 points and sends his licence to the DVLA
(3) The DVLA write to him telling him that his licence will be revoked and the date on which it will be effective
(4) He can continue driving until that date.

Of course, FPNs are given at the discretion of the police and maybe some forces choose not offer them in these circumstances, but I've no idea why they wouldn't. I can only imagine confusion about the law, but it seems quite clear. Anecdotally I'm certainly aware of people who have got fixed penalties while subject to the New Driver's Act (Linky 1) (Linky 2 - albeit that was from the Fiscal after being told he couldn;t have on by the police).

Aretnap

facade wrote: »

So hypothetically, I got caught by a camera April 2010, again June 2010 and once again in July 2010 = 9 points.

I then get caught again in September 2013 and will have 12 points on my licence, but only got 3 of them in the last 3 years so no totting-up ban?

Correct. You get a totting ban if you get 12 points within 3 years of each other, measured from date of offence to date of offence.

The reason they remain printed on your licence for 4 years is that the court may be dealing with you some months after you actually committed an offence, so it needs to know how many relevant points you had at the time of that offence. It dates from the days before things like the internet were invented, and your licence was the only record of your points the court could easily access.

smashingyour...

Aretnap wrote: »

As I said, the New Drivers Act makes provision for him to get a FPN(E) - Sections 2 (3) and 2 (4). The procedure is

(1) He surrenders his licence, pays the £60 and has it endorsed
(2) The fixed penalty clerk sees that he now has 6 points and sends his licence to the DVLA
(3) The DVLA write to him telling him that his licence will be revoked and the date on which it will be effective
(4) He can continue driving until that date.

Of course, FPNs are given at the discretion of the police and maybe some forces choose not offer them in these circumstances, but I've no idea why they wouldn't. I can only imagine confusion about the law, but it seems quite clear. Anecdotally I'm certainly aware of people who have got fixed penalties while subject to the New Driver's Act (Linky 1) (Linky 2 - albeit that was from the Fiscal after being told he couldn;t have on by the police).

see #64 he's accepted he was wrong.;)

George_Michael

Insurance for a new driver is generally fairly expensive, and I expect that it will an eyewatering sum after this.

smashingyour...

George_Michael wrote: »

If as expected, the OP's son does lose their licence for 6 months, followed by the need for a retest, now might be the right time to start saving up for motor insurance and looking for an insurer who will be willing to provide cover.

Insurance for a new driver is generally fairly expensive, and I expect that it will an eyewatering sum after this.

Its not expected he'll lose his licence for six months. He'll be able to apply for c provisional straight away.

vaio

George_Michael wrote: »

If as expected, the OP's son does lose their licence for 6 months, followed by the need for a retest, now might be the right time to start saving up for motor insurance and looking for an insurer who will be willing to provide cover.

Insurance for a new driver is generally fairly expensive, and I expect that it will an eyewatering sum after this.

at the risk of adding another irrelevant/pointless post, he's not going to "lose his licence for 6 months", he's going to get his existing full driving licence revoked and have to go through the test system again. Which he can do immediately.

Six months (or indeed any other number of months) doesn't come into it

shaun_from_Africa

Last year, my 19yo neice had her licence revoked in what sounds like an almost identical situation to the one being discussed.
She attended court where she pleeded gulity to the speeding offence (her 2nd offence, and she was caught doing 57 in a 40 zone). she had to surrender her licence to the court and was told that she could continue to drive until she received notification from the DVLA, which happened about 9 days later.
She obtained a new provisional licence within a couple of weeks, retook her test 2 months later (and passed).

The biggest problem might be the delay in getting a confirmed test date as some areas seem to have fairly long waiting times.

Her car insurance went up from about £940 to £1300 for a Micra 1.2L, which was less of a rise than she was told to expect.

vaio

I suppose the OP could even try and get their name down on the test waiting list before their licence is revoked to minimise the time they have to spend with L plates on.

George_Michael

vaio wrote: »

Six months (or indeed any other number of months) doesn't come into it

I've edited my earlier post to reflect my error.