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becky_rtw

RichOneday wrote: »

You know its for your own good!:p

Hey I'm not complaining - boss away coach!

Any ideas where I can squeeze some more miles in between my two parties this weekend (Fri and Sat night??)...

Also I know this is a shocking question, but I havent altered my diet at all since I started running should I be looking to now (I eat quite healthly, hardly any meat, but I never think about it really)? Also should I be reducing alcohol intake if i'm going to get serious for LM?:eek:

Can I be really cheeky?? My training plan only goes up to about 50 miles a week based on having more time before running so I'll need to redraft it... If I PM you can you add some more stuff and look over it please?

RichOneday_2

becky_rtw wrote: »

Hey I'm not complaining - boss away coach!

Any ideas where I can squeeze some more miles in between my two parties this weekend (Fri and Sat night??)...

Also I know this is a shocking question, but I havent altered my diet at all since I started running should I be looking to now (I eat quite healthly, hardly any meat, but I never think about it really)? Also should I be reducing alcohol intake if i'm going to get serious for LM?:eek:

Can I be really cheeky?? My training plan only goes up to about 50 miles a week based on having more time before running so I'll need to redraft it... If I PM you can you add some more stuff and look over it please?

Go on then!

beer_tins

(Land_of)_Maz wrote: »

Righto - we need to talk about this run/walk thing..... let's have a debate!

it is absolutely the only way i would have ever began to consider running... and bearing in mind that i still have been known to have the odd walk break :whistle: and have thusfar avoided major injury or strain (touching wood as we speak)

i think it is wrong to be so dismissive of it as a training tool in the very early stages.... some people i.e. me, would not manage to run at all if it weren't broken down into manageable chunks.... (minutes/seconds as opposed to half miles/miles)

this run/walk thing is advocated in Runners world, by Jog Scotland, on the RFL website as a running plan... to name but a few. All of which are regular first ports of call for newbie runners... how can they possibly all the wrong?

Surely the risk of harm by doing run/walk is far outweighed by the benefits of doing some sort of activity.... i.e. better to run the riskof getting shin splints by run walking than getting heart disease and diabetes by not..... lesser of two evils.

If run/walk makes it manageable for a new person like i was... then can it really be a bad thing....

and yes i totally get the tight muscles more likely to damage thing... but i still think we risk alienating a whole raft of newbies if we are anti run/walk and go against popular literature and advice.........

< steps down off soap box>

That's me finished now...

Maz, I get your point, but I don't think run/walking is being dismissed in the advice I've read on here. The way I have read it, the idea is to keep walking breaks short (e.g. 1 minute) or to jog very very slowly instead of walking or to finish with a long walk once you have stopped running for a longish time.

Personally, I never took long walking breaks even when I started, simply because I hate the uncomfortable feeling (breathing especially) when I start running, but am a lot happier once I've got my motor running. I'm no expert, of course and have read very little on training theory, so can't really add much to a theoretical debate about it.

P.S. Good morning, everyone!

RichOneday_2

(Land_of)_Maz wrote: »

Righto - we need to talk about this run/walk thing..... let's have a debate!

it is absolutely the only way i would have ever began to consider running... and bearing in mind that i still have been known to have the odd walk break :whistle: and have thusfar avoided major injury or strain (touching wood as we speak)

i think it is wrong to be so dismissive of it as a training tool in the very early stages.... some people i.e. me, would not manage to run at all if it weren't broken down into manageable chunks.... (minutes/seconds as opposed to half miles/miles)

this run/walk thing is advocated in Runners world, by Jog Scotland, on the RFL website as a running plan... to name but a few. All of which are regular first ports of call for newbie runners... how can they possibly all the wrong?

Surely the risk of harm by doing run/walk is far outweighed by the benefits of doing some sort of activity.... i.e. better to run the riskof getting shin splints by run walking than getting heart disease and diabetes by not..... lesser of two evils.

If run/walk makes it manageable for a new person like i was... then can it really be a bad thing....

and yes i totally get the tight muscles more likely to damage thing... but i still think we risk alienating a whole raft of newbies if we are anti run/walk and go against popular literature and advice.........

< steps down off soap box>

That's me finished now...

Nice one Maz!

This is what you should do - question everything you read. Different serious coaching manuals disagree with each other because its all one big ongoing experiment ultimately.

But I am talking from a point of view of what I would do from my experience and when it comes to putting my own body on the line. That doesn't make it right or wrong. But if I'm asked for advice I read it as 'What would you do in my shoes?'.

Now, in terms of the specific subject I would explain it like this:
The further you run the more severe the tightening of the muscles when you stop to the point where you physically can't actually restart running - your muscles physically won't let you. This point where you physically can't get restarted comes down dramatically the more untrained the muscles are.

So thats at the extreme but you've seen plenty comments on here from people who will slow down to a jog but are very reluctant to stop and then restart because the same process is working from the moment you start running and can be very uncomfortable.

If someone isn't ready to run at least 1/2 mile for instance then the muscles/tendons/ligaments really should be strengthened through walking before trying to run.

But, as I say, it is only my view after all. I can find plenty literature that supports what you are saying and not a great deal that supports mine.

But I'm not sure how advising someone to get some good walking foundation in first rather than go straight into what will be a more uncomfortable activity is alienating.

Easy does it , with bucket loads of caution is my approach.

Poodlecrazy

Hello all!

Nice one Snaggles, you show them!!! And well done Maz on your swimming :-)

Well having a reasonably quiet one here this week, went out for a 5 mile run this morning, tried to do some intervals but frankly it all seemed to merge into one. Never mind was nice to get a good stretch out.

I'm dancing tomorrow and then will prob do a very slow chill out jog (have to do something while lo is in her gym class) of a couple of miles on Saturday before my 5K on Sunday.

Out of interest, what does anyone do (if anything) as there cross training / rest day? I know you swim like a dolphin Maz... just wondering if anything anyone else does?

P

(Land_of)_Maz

RichOneday wrote: »

Nice one Maz!

This is what you should do - question everything you read. Different serious coaching manuals disagree with each other because its all one big ongoing experiment ultimately.

But I am talking from a point of view of what I would do from my experience and when it comes to putting my own body on the line. That doesn't make it right or wrong. But if I'm asked for advice I read it as 'What would you do in my shoes?'.

Now, in terms of the specific subject I would explain it like this:
The further you run the more severe the tightening of the muscles when you stop to the point where you physically can't actually restart running - your muscles physically won't let you. This point where you physically can't get restarted comes down dramatically the more untrained the muscles are.

So thats at the extreme but you've seen plenty comments on here from people who will slow down to a jog but are very reluctant to stop and then restart because the same process is working from the moment you start running and can be very uncomfortable.

If someone isn't ready to run at least 1/2 mile for instance then the muscles/tendons/ligaments really should be strengthened through walking before trying to run.

But, as I say, it is only my view after all. I can find plenty literature that supports what you are saying and not a great deal that supports mine.

But I'm not sure how advising someone to get some good walking foundation in first rather than go straight into what will be a more uncomfortable activity is alienating.

Easy does it , with bucket loads of caution is my approach.

I have started to recognise that it is better to slow right down to no more than a jiggly walk than it is to walk completely and it means you can claim it as a complete run.... but sometimes a walk is required for whatever reason...

It's also worth noting that some of us only really have one speed... plod... and aren't actually capable of dropping it down to a slow jog is this is basically what we always do... i think jiggly walk breaks are the new recovery style-ee......!

glad you're still talking to me, the last thing i want to do is p!ss off the coach, next thing i know you'll be telling me to drop and give you twenty!!!

(push ups i may add! )

poodle :wave:

moi, dolphin-esque? why thank you!!!!

redsquirrel80

(Land_of)_Maz wrote: »

I have started to recognise that it is better to slow right down to no more than a jiggly walk than it is to walk completely and it means you can claim it as a complete run.... but sometimes a walk is required for whatever reason...

It's also worth noting that some of us only really have one speed... plod... and aren't actually capable of dropping it down to a slow jog is this is basically what we always do... i think jiggly walk breaks are the new recovery style-ee......!

glad you're still talking to me, the last thing i want to do is p!ss off the coach, next thing i know you'll be telling me to drop and give you twenty!!!

(push ups i may add! )

poodle :wave:

moi, dolphin-esque? why thank you!!!!

Jiggly walk :rotfl:

Poodle, I don't do anything on 'non run' days apart from walking, keep meaning to go and do something else (probably dance or pilates) but not got round to it yet

(Land_of)_Maz

redsquirrel80 wrote: »

Jiggly walk :rotfl:

Poodle, I don't do anything on 'non run' days apart from walking, keep meaning to go and do something else (probably dance or pilates) but not got round to it yet

jiggly walk - maybe i should copyright it??!

RichOneday_2

becky_rtw wrote: »

Hey I'm not complaining - boss away coach!

Any ideas where I can squeeze some more miles in between my two parties this weekend (Fri and Sat night??)...

Also I know this is a shocking question, but I havent altered my diet at all since I started running should I be looking to now (I eat quite healthly, hardly any meat, but I never think about it really)? Also should I be reducing alcohol intake if i'm going to get serious for LM?:eek:

Can I be really cheeky?? My training plan only goes up to about 50 miles a week based on having more time before running so I'll need to redraft it... If I PM you can you add some more stuff and look over it please?

1. I'll ignore your first question on the basis that you're just showing off!

2. Diet wise you need to make sure you get some basic building blocks in there such as regular roughage/carbohydrates/proteins, but the more you study the subject the more confused you will become. And advice changes quite rapidly anyway. My staple diet involves a lot of muesli with loads of fruit in. It works for me as an 'energy food' and then I eat what my apetite asks for on the basis the apetite must be linked to what the body needs.

3. As for alcohol - I hate to have to say this but my fastest marathon was run when I had pretty much no alcohol in the build up. But then again, I ran my fastest 10 miles whilst drinking like a fish. So, keep it down is the most apt advice (that's the amount of alcohol not advice about not throwing up )

beer_tins

I wonder if a fast walk, or "jiggly walk" (copyright 2008 Maz) is maybe enough to keep everything warmed up sufficiently to start off again? Like Rich says, it's all theory and there are conflicting opinions. I've heard a theory from a Swiss sports physio that it is better to start running from cold (even on 100m :eek:) to reduce the risk of hamstring injury. That goes against everything I've heard before! Personally, I think easing into something just makes more sense!

And as for my rest days, they are generally spent slobbing on the couch.