ATOS loses ESA & PIP Assessment Contract

Brassedoff

mazza111 wrote: »

While I admire Stephen Hawkins. He has the most amazing brain out there. Does his paralysis mean that he's not in pain every day though?

Would you employ someone who can type half the speed of the next man because they only have use of one hand?

Would you employ someome who gets brain fog both through illness and/or medications so that they can't remember their own name, never mind your customers names

I know employability shouldn't come into it, but it does.

Yes, I employ myself. A man on 34 tablets a day and a wearer of 100mu Fentynal patches. A person who regularly forgets names, dates or even product names when in real and online meetings.

The difference is that people know what I am like and that unlike them, I work quite often in the middle of the night (as posts on here show). I still get my lot and extra done.

As for typing, half the time I use Dragon dictation. It's just as quick once you get used to it.

But I suppose it's easier to be there waiting to moan about the hand outs one gets!

5 maybe 10 percent cannot do anything due to their current issues, but the rest could. Where's the pride? I am used to hanging my pride on a hanger when I suffer,, and I mean suffer a regular Cystoscopy. But my pride in earning money to contribute to the family home, the car, the holidays, the clothes, the disability equipment will not be hung up.

Brassedoff

sunnyone wrote: »

I would love to work again, I am well educated and eager but what job could I possibly do as a deaf full time powered wheelchair user who has very limited arm/hand use?

I rarely use a computor anymore because I cant get speech to text software that can understand my "flat" deafened voice, my body is pretty much useless and I spend my time in the bed the NHS provide me with and I need 24/7 support from at least one other person just to manage to survive at the most basic level.

Find me a job please.

Having posted on here 4296 times, you can clearly use a computer. I too am in a wheelchair. I have three people provide care for me, yet I converted myself from my former career, retrained myself. Took the plunge and re-entered into self employment, it took two years to get enough clients, but there are so many firms who cannot employ someone to do my role full time, but jump at the change to buy hours off me. I sell up to 60 hours a week and enjoy 80% full bookings!

dori2o

Brassedoff wrote: »

Yes, I employ myself. A man on 34 tablets a day and a wearer of 100mu Fentynal patches. A person who regularly forgets names, dates or even product names when in real and online meetings.

The difference is that people know what I am like and that unlike them, I work quite often in the middle of the night (as posts on here show). I still get my lot and extra done.

As for typing, half the time I use Dragon dictation. It's just as quick once you get used to it.

But I suppose it's easier to be there waiting to moan about the hand outs one gets!

5 maybe 10 percent cannot do anything due to their current issues, but the rest could. Where's the pride? I am used to hanging my pride on a hanger when I suffer,, and I mean suffer a regular Cystoscopy. But my pride in earning money to contribute to the family home, the car, the holidays, the clothes, the disability equipment will not be hung up.

Evidence?......

zzzLazyDaisy

tokenfield wrote: »

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

Maybe not fully, but the intention was and still is that if between now and when I am 65 next year, ESA or DLA was taken from me, I am in a prime position of increasing my hours to make up the shortfall for the loss of the benefits. It's called forward planning!
My disabilities won't disappear nor will my illness, but with a little bit of thought and compromise, I could become benefit free..

Right. So what you are basically saying is that you are perfectly capable of working enough hours to be financially independent of the benefit system. But unless / until your benefits are 'taken from you' you have made a conscious decision to continue to rely on state benefits.

The words 'pot' and 'kettle' spring to mind!

schrodie

dori2o wrote: »

Evidence?......

It'll be interesting to see what the evidence is from this individual especially when they think that someone in a Persistent Vegetative State can do useful work!!

tokenfield

zzzLazyDaisy wrote: »

Right. So what you are basically saying is that you are perfectly capable of
working enough hours to be financially independent of the benefit system. But unless / until your benefits are 'taken from you' you have made a conscious decision to continue to rely on state benefits.

The words 'pot' and 'kettle' spring to mind!

Yes I would think and hope so despite being awarded ESA and put in the Support Group in Jan 2010 for three years and renewed in Jan 2013 for the Support Group until my 65th birthday, and recently after a DLA review awarded a continuation of HRM & HRC indefinitely.
I have never had to appeal for any benefit or attend a Tribunal.
They were awarded because I qualify under the relevant criteria.

Do I want to stay on benefits - no I don't, I hate it. Am I entitled to the benefits that have been awarded to me - yes, am I using the time whilst on benefits profitably by building up a business for the future - of course I am - do the government encourage that - yes they do via the Permitted Work Scheme.

It's nothing to do with kettle or pot. What I am saying is that it seems very strange that there are many people as disabled and as ill as myself, some worse, yet are still able to carry out some work.
Then there are others that see ESA as the easy option over JSA, and others that see ESA as a means to get an income because they haven't got the gumption to look at themselves and ask 'What can I do - how can it earn me an income' Most see 'what I can't do'. Benefit claims are easier than working. What has happened to the British sense of determination and willpower notwithstanding the hurdles that are put in your way - most just sit and moan!

Sorry, yes there are many that have no choice because of their serious disabilities, but many more are choosing to sit on a benefit without making any plans for either getting off it if they want to or have to.

tokenfield

Brassedoff wrote: »

Having posted on here 4296 times, you can clearly use a computer. I too am in a wheelchair. I have three people provide care for me, yet I converted myself from my former career, retrained myself. Took the plunge and re-entered into self employment, it took two years to get enough clients, but there are so many firms who cannot employ someone to do my role full time, but jump at the change to buy hours off me. I sell up to 60 hours a week and enjoy 80% full bookings!

Umm yes that was my thinking too behind my request for how they manage it

tokenfield

schrodie wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see what the evidence is from this individual especially when they think that someone in a Persistent Vegetative State can do useful work!!

I doubt very much that those in the Work Group are suffering from that diagnosis.

It make me laugh when people exaggerate a point.

I agree entirely with this new idea of work placements for those in that grouping - it will just show how many will try everything to get out of them, not because they are too ill, but because they don't fancy working for their benefit.

JS477

tokenfield wrote: »

It make me laugh when people exaggerate a point.

Like when they ignorantly state that "Everyone is capable of doing SOME sort of work. There is no one out there incapable."!!

tokenfield

JS477 wrote: »

Like when they ignorantly state that "Everyone is capable of doing SOME sort of work. There is no one out there incapable."!!

Everyone CAN do some work. It may not be up to an employers standard and timekeeping may be poor, but they can still work - they should try self employment.