ATOS loses ESA & PIP Assessment Contract

joyfull

An ageing, weak and painful body might, on a 'good' day be able to sit at a computer for 20mins, run a duster over some shelves or pull a few weeds from the garden.

This does not mean they are capable of being employed in an office, as a cleaner or gardener.

Also, people who's bodies that may have disability or some named condition BUT have energy and stamina may well be able to sustain some kind paid employment.

With a weak body, simply to get oneself washed, dressed, prepare food, keep a house running, just keeping a life going, it can become overwhelming. To work outside the home in addition is unthinkable.

In my younger days, I had no awareness whatsoever of a body that simply cannot function properly. I probably would had thought 'think positive'etc. Now it's happened to me it's devastating.

I have 9 yrs until I get my pension, so am expected to work until then.

Probably haven't made my points v well, but I feel strongly that No, not everyone is capable of work.

No employer in their right mind would employ someone in my physical condition.

Brassedoff

joyfull wrote: »

An ageing, weak and painful body might, on a 'good' day be able to sit at a computer for 20mins, run a duster over some shelves or pull a few weeds from the garden.

This does not mean they are capable of being employed in an office, as a cleaner or gardener.

Also, people who's bodies that may have disability or some named condition BUT have energy and stamina may well be able to sustain some kind paid employment.

With a weak body, simply to get oneself washed, dressed, prepare food, keep a house running, just keeping a life going, it can become overwhelming. To work outside the home in addition is unthinkable.

In my younger days, I had no awareness whatsoever of a body that simply cannot function properly. I probably would had thought 'think positive'etc. Now it's happened to me it's devastating.

I have 9 yrs until I get my pension, so am expected to work until then.

Probably haven't made my points v well, but I feel strongly that No, not everyone is capable of work.

No employer in their right mind would employ someone in my physical condition.

OK, I hear what you are saying, what can you do? Can you use the phone? You can clearly use the computer. You see many on here who claim they cannot work, yet sit on these and other boards all day.

I have just looked and there was pages of jobs ensuring that information in a directory or advertisement was correct. Pay is Min wage, plus a bonus of £30 per day if target completed.
Work own hours, just need computer and broadband line.

joyfull

Brassedoff wrote: »

OK, I hear what you are saying, what can you do? Can you use the phone? You can clearly use the computer. You see many on here who claim they cannot work, yet sit on these and other boards all day.

I have just looked and there was pages of jobs ensuring that information in a directory or advertisement was correct. Pay is Min wage, plus a bonus of £30 per day if target completed.
Work own hours, just need computer and broadband line.

Spend most of the day on bed. Using a tablet lying down, typing is painful and v slow. Talking on phone exhausting.

You've not understood what I said about physical weakness and lack of stamina. I'm not talking a bit tired, but overwhelming exhaustion. You come across as living in a a totally other universe to the many people who have these types of challenges.

I have not the strength to say any more. And for the record, I'm not receiving benefits atm.

nogginthenog

Brassedoff wrote: »

dori2o wrote: »

Rubbish, an excuse for those not able to see beyond their benefit claim. My gardener suffers from severe autism. One of those kids who could not be left alone, so the parents got HRM/HRC, a free car for 18 years. As soon as he was old enough, or rather unable to get benefit. He went to college, ok it took him an exta year to get through. Passed his driving test on the 6th time of asking. Set up his own business as a gardener. The lad is serve rely mentally disabled. He managed to set himself up in business. You cannot tell me others cannot.

Why can a person claiming agoraphobia not work from home for someone such as the AA or Thomson Holidays? They are always advertising.

Why cannot someone who claims to have a bad back not do the same?

You see, for the hundreds or thousands who get convinced by the self supporting system of care or charity workers telling people they cannot work, there are cases of people with gumption who try and succeed

I am a case in point. I am typing this from a bed in the front room having worked since 10am this morning. I am tired, I am in pain, but I have the pride of knowing I have earned my money, not sponged it off the tax payer while watching Jeremy Kyle !

Rogerblack thought he had a trump card in a vegetive state, yet Stephen Hawings is easily the most disabled person I know. He is Director of Research at the Centre for Theoretical Cosmology within the University of Cambridge. Now that doesn't sound a part time job!

You just will not accept that nearly everyone can do something. Why is that, does it then highlight other less severe disabilities, conditions or short term and questionable illnesses?

Reliably, Repeatedly, Safely, Without pain, Without Discomfort in a Timely Fashion.

mazza111

tokenfield wrote: »

I think that the simple answer is for every ESA/DLA/PIP claimant to be awarded the benefit on the strength of their application alone - they aren't going to lie or exaggerate are they? No matter what you do or who does what, all that everyone wants is to win and be awarded the benefit that they have claimed.
No matter what system you have in place, those that fail it will always complain that it wasn't a fair process.

So give them all the benefit that they applied for and then there will be no complaints - the government will achieve 100% customer satisfaction in a tenth of the time they currently take. Everyone wins - don't they??

I'll say again as I've said several times before. I thought this was the case too, that people were swinging the lead, and they weren't really sick. I then realised that too many people were singing from the same hymn sheet.

Then my dd got the dreaded brown envelope through the door. The ATOS report on her was full of down right lies, inaccuracies and errors. I couldn't have recognised my own daughter from that report, not only that, but they failed to look at her physical health and only looked at her MH problem.

So while I do agree that testing should be done, the WCA nor ATOS are fit for purpose imho.

mazza111

Brassedoff wrote: »

Stephen Hawings! A man who works full time; he is entirely paralysed and communicates through a speech generating device.

How much more disabled do you wish someone to be?

As I said, virtually everyone is able to do something!

While I admire Stephen Hawkins. He has the most amazing brain out there. Does his paralysis mean that he's not in pain every day though?

Would you employ someone who can type half the speed of the next man because they only have use of one hand?

Would you employ someome who gets brain fog both through illness and/or medications so that they can't remember their own name, never mind your customers names

I know employability shouldn't come into it, but it does.

tokenfield

Brassedoff wrote: »

dori2o wrote: »

Rubbish, an excuse for those not able to see beyond their benefit claim. My gardener suffers from severe autism. One of those kids who could not be left alone, so the parents got HRM/HRC, a free car for 18 years. As soon as he was old enough, or rather unable to get benefit. He went to college, ok it took him an exta year to get through. Passed his driving test on the 6th time of asking. Set up his own business as a gardener. The lad is serve rely mentally disabled. He managed to set himself up in business. You cannot tell me others cannot.

Why can a person claiming agoraphobia not work from home for someone such as the AA or Thomson Holidays? They are always advertising.

Why cannot someone who claims to have a bad back not do the same?

You see, for the hundreds or thousands who get convinced by the self supporting system of care or charity workers telling people they cannot work, there are cases of people with gumption who try and succeed

I am a case in point. I am typing this from a bed in the front room having worked since 10am this morning. I am tired, I am in pain, but I have the pride of knowing I have earned my money, not sponged it off the tax payer while watching Jeremy Kyle !

Rogerblack thought he had a trump card in a vegetive state, yet Stephen Hawings is easily the most disabled person I know. He is Director of Research at the Centre for Theoretical Cosmology within the University of Cambridge. Now that doesn't sound a part time job!

You just will not accept that nearly everyone can do something. Why is that, does it then highlight other less severe disabilities, conditions or short term and questionable illnesses?

I agree entirely. People don't want to look beyond the next ESA giro.

Take me. Based on the benefits that I receive, one would imagine that I am totally disabled. Yet if you met me you wouldn't even guess that anything was wrong - it's all about having the right attitude and a positive view on life.
I manage to work 15 hours every week, self employed and earn, net, just under £90 a week.

I cannot be the only one that is defined as ill (ESA - Support Group) and disabled (DLA HRC & HRM) yet is able to still pay my way.

Widelats

Government knew all along what was happening, i see no reason why the con dems should be praised on this, nor Labour. I wonder how those people including myself, who had utter rubbish lies and false reporting on them, will be apologised to - not holding my breath.

sunnyone

Brassedoff wrote: »

OK, I hear what you are saying, what can you do? Can you use the phone? You can clearly use the computer. You see many on here who claim they cannot work, yet sit on these and other boards all day.

I have just looked and there was pages of jobs ensuring that information in a directory or advertisement was correct. Pay is Min wage, plus a bonus of £30 per day if target completed.
Work own hours, just need computer and broadband line.

I would love to work again, I am well educated and eager but what job could I possibly do as a deaf full time powered wheelchair user who has very limited arm/hand use?

I rarely use a computor anymore because I cant get speech to text software that can understand my "flat" deafened voice, my body is pretty much useless and I spend my time in the bed the NHS provide me with and I need 24/7 support from at least one other person just to manage to survive at the most basic level.

Find me a job please.

dori2o

Brassedoff wrote: »

OK, I hear what you are saying, what can you do? Can you use the phone? You can clearly use the computer. You see many on here who claim they cannot work, yet sit on these and other boards all day.

I have just looked and there was pages of jobs ensuring that information in a directory or advertisement was correct. Pay is Min wage, plus a bonus of £30 per day if target completed.
Work own hours, just need computer and broadband line.

How do you know they sit on the boards all day?

Looking at my profile history may show that I have been signed in for the past 21 days, but I have not been at the PC for the past 21 days, I simply don't log myself out or turn off the PC at night as it runs and records our security cameras.

There are some work from home jobs, but not as many as you claim there to be.

I have been fighting for 2 years to get my employer to let me work from home, but they won't allow it.

I have been looking for some time for home working opportunities, and very few are what they claim to be, and most are scams.

What is needed is more regulation on disabled working.

All large employers should be forced to offer some form of homeworking.

There shouldbe further regulation/incentives to employ a disabled worker, even if their condition means they may be absent from work for significant periods of time, or if their condition means they cannot guarantee being in work from one day to the next.

The way you talk about disabled people not being in work you would assume that most disabled people do not, and have not worked.

The fact is only 9% of all disabled people have never worked. (claimants and non claimants)

60% of disabled people today work (claimants and non claimants)

The problem is not with disabled people who do not want to work.

The problem is alleviating the barriers which prevent them from working.

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