After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

it may seem like that but no that isnt the case. i am a person who is never going to work in an office doing a basic computer course. how is that a good thing for anyone except the provider who will get a load of cash.

Excluding office jobs is s a pretty big chunk of opportunities going to waste and seems perfectly reasonable to have you skill up for office work.

As you've been out of work long term there's no reason why you should exclude any suitable office jobs.

Chester666666

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Excluding office jobs is s a pretty big chunk of opportunities going to waste and seems perfectly reasonable to have you skill up for office work.

As you've been out of work long term there's no reason why you should exclude any suitable office jobs.

Methinks a more complex course with a better certificate would be more beneficial then a Mickey Mouse course no-one had ever heard of apart from the people who profit from it and the ones forced onto it

sensibleadvice

Chester666666 wrote: »

Methinks a more complex course with a better certificate would be more beneficial then a Mickey Mouse course no-one had ever heard of apart from the people who profit from it and the ones forced onto it

Methinks not for someone who thinks they can be selective about which jobs they apply for when they've been out of work long term.

Podge52

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Methinks not for someone who thinks they can be selective about which jobs they apply for when they've been out of work long term.

Is a call center suitable employment for somebody with a very bad stammer ?

I have no idea why office work isn't suitable for donna and neither have you.

But then maybe you think somebody with a bad stammer should be made to apply for call center work.

sensibleadvice

Podge52 wrote: »

Is a call center suitable employment for somebody with a very bad stammer ?

I have no idea why office work isn't suitable for donna and neither have you.

But then maybe you think somebody with a bad stammer should be made to apply for call center work.

Spurious examples don't excuse the long term unemployed being selective about jobs. You don't even know office work isn't suitable for them because they haven't said. Why be selective, they might as well have said they are never going to work and leave it at that.

Podge52

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Spurious examples don't excuse the long term unemployed being selective about jobs. You don't even know office work isn't suitable for them because they haven't said. Why be selective, they might as well have said they are never going to work and leave it at that.

"Why be selective"

What a stupid comment.

Should I be selective in choosing not to apply for driving jobs if I have no driving license ?

Should I be selective in not applying for nursing jobs if I have no nursing qualifications ?

Should I be selective in not applying for........

for somebody who is supposed to be sensible I see very little evidence of it in your posts in this thread.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Excluding office jobs is s a pretty big chunk of opportunities going to waste and seems perfectly reasonable to have you skill up for office work.

As you've been out of work long term there's no reason why you should exclude any suitable office jobs.

some just arent cut out for certain types of job. anyway it would take more than a basic computer course to give me a chance of a job in that area. the mentality is stupid. on the wp they were sending people with no experience of building sites to get their cscs card thinking that will mean they can get a job on a building site ahead of people with 20 years experience.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Methinks not for someone who thinks they can be selective about which jobs they apply for when they've been out of work long term.

its about knowing whats right for you. most people arent capable of doing every type of job.

stix62

Well, my 2 years with WP is due end of April/May (I think) and hopefully I will never be speaking to them again. I had an interview this morning - start work on monday :D:D

I've just phoned up to sign off and refused to tell JCP who my new employer was. The girl on the other end of the line said she needs to 'put something down' so I gave her a host of reasons why I wasn't going to tell her - because of the WP and the way they operate. She didn't know they needed an employers info to make a claim and was quite happy to write 'prefers not to say'


sidenote: I last saw WP 4 weeks ago. When I left my advisor said she'd ring me next week and book our next appointment. I've not heard a thing since.

sensibleadvice

Morglin wrote: »

Of course I understand that so many things are online now.

But, the net, although a wonderful tool in many ways, is also a goldmine to scammers.

There appears to be no way of checking the jobs advertised, and although I appreciate that the UJM showing thousands of 'jobs' means the government can say they have created all these extra jobs, it's of little use to anyone if they are not genuine and used to scam.

The JCP staff, and I was one, were paid to actually assist with finding work. They are still being paid, don't seem to assist much, so what are they being paid for?

We have added an extra tier with WP's and they also seem unable to do much at all - why are we paying them?

By your reckoning, people could look on the net themselves and find work, so all this non assistance is unnecessary.

This seems more about 'cash for chums owning WP firms' than any worthwhile attempt to get people into work.

The facts are that the reforms are not working, the welfare bill is still rising and the whole thing needs to be taken back to the drawing board, for everyone's sake.

Lin

The net is the net. Most people use it nowadays and most people ae sensible enough to use common sense and take precautions to avoid problems. However there will always be some who get caught out for whatever reasons, possibly fraud from banking details, online shopping etc and yes, online applications. On balance, that doesn't make it a bad thing.

As for advisors, job descriptions and duties move on. In the eighties there was much less computer work, audit regs etc. Perhaps someone will post a JD.

The claimants mindset that expects others to take responsibility for their job seeking is fundamentally wrong. This needed taking back to the drawing board and to some extent has but of course affected people will claim it's wrong to expect them to take personal responsibility.