After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

mattcanary wrote: »

Still no constructive advice.......

Twas tongue in cheek. Constructive advice would be stating the very, very obvious. My mistake as it appears there are some who need the very obvious spelling out...wait for it..

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An employer may actually advertise a post, not specify overtime in the advert yet still ask the applicants at interview if they would be flexible enough to work overtime.

Chester666666

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Twas tongue in cheek. Constructive advice would be stating the very, very obvious. My mistake as it appears there are some who need the very obvious spelling out...wait for it..

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An employer may actually advertise a post, not specify overtime in the advert yet still ask the applicants at interview if they would be flexible enough to work overtime.

But as a lot was left out it was a case of too any omissions, they changed roles, suddenly wanted a car driver and also implied overtime was a daily occurrence and you had to do it -regardless of your life away from the job.
It wasn't like they wrote an ad saying they needed a car driver who was willing to work overtime etc

sensibleadvice

mattcanary wrote: »

Oh right, it's not the case then that you have been given the privilege of using the internet for work related tasks then.
And it could be taken away just like that if your employers knew you were spending half your working day on this website, rather than using the internet for work related research, etc.

Possibly I'm way out and you're really a high powered executive, running the NHS or a brain surgeon, or curing diseases, or something else really worthwhile
Somehow I doubt it though.

If you prove me wrong, I hold my hands up and apologise for goading you, just as you so enjoy goading others

Sure I use the internet for work related tasks. As I said, it's also one of the perks of my job to use it in non work related areas. When the Fulfilment Director visits for weekly/monthly meetings we often discuss leisure in between work and on occasion when he's observed researching holiday deals he'll recommend some sites or deals he's seen. Of course there's an associated trust that goes with such perks and sometimes additional hours are worked to complete reports, meet deadlines etc.

Not quite sure how you've assumed half my working day is spent on this website or even how you'd know what my working hours are to be making sweeping statements like that.

I've posted what I do several times. When you've re read those posts I'll leave you to decide how high powered you think it is.

As to what's worthwhile, yes I'm sure NHS brain surgeons et al are, but I'd also consider my cleaners, cooks, shop floor and office staff all just as worthwhile. Sorry if that doesn't fit your perception.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

how would you like it if in your job you had to work harder than the bloke next to you? would you think its fair.
having something in black and white would be an agreement that does not require 7 days per week so that if i was ill one day it wouldnt matter because i could do what i had planned when i get better. someone saying its ok we wont sanction you if you are ill will not prevent it happening. you need more than someones word.
true i dont have any evidence to prove there are nasty advisers. has it occurred to you that i would not develop tactics to protect myself against such people if i was actually just making it up and they didnt actually exist. there would be no need.

I've worked hard to get my job. The 'bloke next to me' is responsible for his own actions and consequences as a result.

You fail to grasp the concept of taking personal responsibility and the impression that creates, instead focussing on what someone would do if you did nothing and how nasty they'd be. It's a blinkered mindset that will doubtless se you unemployed for a long time to come and cause you more problems than it will protect you from. Fully expect you'll retort with more of the same, but truth is it's you that's living with what you see in the mirror each morning. It's you who truly knows how likely it is your position will change doing what you're doing.

mattcanary

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Sure I use the internet for work related tasks. As I said, it's also one of the perks of my job to use it in non work related areas. When the Fulfilment Director visits for weekly/monthly meetings we often discuss leisure in between work and on occasion when he's observed researching holiday deals he'll recommend some sites or deals he's seen. Of course there's an associated trust that goes with such perks and sometimes additional hours are worked to complete reports, meet deadlines etc.

Not quite sure how you've assumed half my working day is spent on this website or even how you'd know what my working hours are to be making sweeping statements like that.

I've posted what I do several times. When you've re read those posts I'll leave you to decide how high powered you think it is.

As to what's worthwhile, yes I'm sure NHS brain surgeons et al are, but I'd also consider my cleaners, cooks, shop floor and office staff all just as worthwhile. Sorry if that doesn't fit your perception.

What you've said is perfectly reasonable and of course your cleaners, cooks, etc jobs' are worthwhile.

I just felt you should be justifying yourself on this forum, seeing as you seem to regularly pass judgements on others that come on here for some advice.

Thank you!

Chester666666

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I've worked hard to get my job. The 'bloke next to me' is responsible for his own actions and consequences as a result.

You fail to grasp the concept of taking personal responsibility and the impression that creates, instead focussing on what someone would do if you did nothing and how nasty they'd be. It's a blinkered mindset that will doubtless se you unemployed for a long time to come and cause you more problems than it will protect you from. Fully expect you'll retort with more of the same, but truth is it's you that's living with what you see in the mirror each morning. It's you who truly knows how likely it is your position will change doing what you're doing.

None if which sounds like the poster
Knowledge is protection

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes we know that and we know people end up having to do it whether they want to or not. doesnt make it right though.

Doesn't make it right? Even if it's doesn't state overtime or flexibility in JD's which it likely would if there's an expectation it would be required, it's common sense theres a reason for it to be done. Who would see themselves out of a job on the basis it's not right? Try to answer that from the perspective of the business, not someone who expects others to take responsibility.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

just those who dont agree with you then.

Not at all, where did you get that idea from?

There are those who expect others to tip toe around their 'sensitive' issues, only saying what they want to hear, things like it's not their fault, no jobs, system doesn't work. Those who expect to be pandered and others to take responsibility for there job seeking, their signing, their targets. Those who, if they're told to do x applications per week will stop at x because they've done what's 'expected', never mind the next application could get them in work. Which they probably don't want because it's not much more than giro. I'm sure you know the type.

sensibleadvice

imatt wrote: »

Again, being judgemental as ever. You really are a bore aren't you? I have said before that I am no longer claiming JSA.

When thinking of a reply to others posts, even when as simplistic and repetitive as yours, you cannot have your mind on the job in hand. Esp the amount of tripe you post daily.

Unlike yourself, I for one have better things to do than typing the same thing over and over again. You have far too much time on your hands. Obviously your job does not tax you enough physically and / or mentally enough. I'd find something constructive to do around your office such as cleaning the toilets, sweeping the floor or making the tea if I were you. And thankfully I am not!

And the sad thing is, you know you're totally ignorant about the main subject of this thread. Yet your stubbornness and conceitedness spurs you on.

It'd take someone pretty stupid to also not consider the possibility that posts on here could well be outside of work.

Which would indeed make all that rambling a moot point.

imatt

sensibleadvice wrote: »

It'd take someone pretty stupid to also not consider the possibility that posts on here could well be outside of work.

Which would indeed make all that rambling a moot point.

Which goes to show you have nothing to say and you're saying it far too loudly both in and outside your workplace. How sad! Then again, perhaps all this excessive posting gives you some sort of arousal, who knows!