After the Work Programme

john539

busy_mom wrote: »

Every JCP have different resources so operate slightly different, it should be an interview with 15 days of finishing WP.
Each customer is assesed and placed into one of two groups dependant on date of claim and job readyness. One group will pretty much continue as normal, the other group attend twice a week for supported jobsearch as a minimum, we start from the beginning again with C.V., jobsearch, application and interview techinques. We look at work experience, MWA or voluntary work and training and every job that is issued is followed up.
Each customer is manadated to register and use UJ (no not give us access) we also book some for obserations jobsearch sessions.

If after 26 weks customers are still unempoyed again one of two journeys. they either continue with jcp but follow the same path as group two, group two will be referred to community action programme which will mean 30 hrs per work, per week. It is expected that 1/3 WP returners will be referred to community action programme.

The journey and rules for this are not yet written so all the ins and outs are yet to go through parlament.

incredible, dwp & jobcentres never learn !

the rules probably aren't written because the recent programmes have fundamentally failed.

there is little point in institutionalising people on pointless conmmunity scam action programme, which won't be taken seriously & won't help people get jobs

AP007

john539 wrote: »

incredible, dwp & jobcentres never learn !

the rules probably aren't written because the recent programmes have fundamentally failed.

there is little point in institutionalising people on pointless conmmunity scam action programme, which won't be taken seriously & won't help people get jobs

Agreed. How can working in the community doing goodness only knows get say a group in London to give me an interview in accounts. Oh that's right it won't

Jerry_Mander

Don't forget, the point of all this unpaid, forced labour and pointless courses is not to enhance your ability to find a job, it's to grind you down in the hope you'll either sign off benefits or do something that'll get you sanctioned. Once you understand that it all falls into place. :mad:

busy_mom_2

I never said i agreed with any of the courses or journey, I never said I agreed with UJ. I in fact hate UJ, I disagree with the WP and obviously time will tell if community action programme will work.

What i do dislike it the way JCP get the blame for the governments failings in dealing with the unemployed. We are paid to deliver a service, we have no say it what we ask of a customer or staff face improvement plans.

What really the MP's need to realise is there really are two different jobseekers those who do and those who do not. JSA should be the last resort but there are some who see it as a choice and those are the ones who need the likes of mandatory work, increase steps and possible sanctions. others need some luck and some moral support. Employers should be forced to interview a percentage of unemployed and forced to take larger numbers of unemployed when recruiting.

scooby088

busy_mom wrote: »

I never said i agreed with any of the courses or journey, I never said I agreed with UJ. I in fact hate UJ, I disagree with the WP and obviously time will tell if community action programme will work.

What i do dislike it the way JCP get the blame for the governments failings in dealing with the unemployed. We are paid to deliver a service, we have no say it what we ask of a customer or staff face improvement plans.

What really the MP's need to realise is there really are two different jobseekers those who do and those who do not. JSA should be the last resort but there are some who see it as a choice and those are the ones who need the likes of mandatory work, increase steps and possible sanctions. others need some luck and some moral support. Employers should be forced to interview a percentage of unemployed and forced to take larger numbers of unemployed when recruiting.

Whilst I agree with somethings you have said, the motivation always seems to be with a stick for the long term unemployed, I am still classed as unemployed even though I work part time and get no benefits at all apart from my NI being paid for me.

You cannot force employers to interview or employ long term unemployed maybe they should be made to but any skill set the long termer has maybe that out of date that employing them is more trouble than it's worth. Instead of government saying there's no funding for training maybe those in real need of it should get it, it's about making them more employable to prospective employers. Plus those that really don't want to work they will always find an excuse not to or claim some other benefit to get them off JSA.

Nada666

AP007 wrote: »

Agreed. How can working in the community doing goodness only knows get say a group in London to give me an interview in accounts. Oh that's right it won't

Disagree. More likely to be granted an interview if you have something to write on the application other than direct (and taken as read) skills and experience. Why would an interview panel/selection panel want to invite a bunch of accountant prejudiced cliches for a day of chats? They would much rather interview rounded people who are actually doing things.

How is your strategy of being too snooty to roll-up your sleeves doing for your career plans - oh, I see. Perhaps you should try listening to others instead of bludgeoning on with your blinkers set.

donnajunkie

busy_mom wrote: »

What i do dislike it the way JCP get the blame for the governments failings in dealing with the unemployed. We are paid to deliver a service, we have no say it what we ask of a customer or staff face improvement plans.

to be fair you get some nasty jc workers who use the rules to get a kick out of making peoples lives a misery. for example why do some wp returners get forced into things like daily signing while others dont?

donnajunkie

busy_mom wrote: »

What really the MP's need to realise is there really are two different jobseekers those who do and those who do not. JSA should be the last resort but there are some who see it as a choice and those are the ones who need the likes of mandatory work, increase steps and possible sanctions. others need some luck and some moral support. Employers should be forced to interview a percentage of unemployed and forced to take larger numbers of unemployed when recruiting.

the problem is to treat people differently like this you need proof that they are slackers. you cant just think they are.

AP007

Nada666 wrote: »

Disagree. More likely to be granted an interview if you have something to write on the application other than direct (and taken as read) skills and experience. Why would an interview panel/selection panel want to invite a bunch of accountant prejudiced cliches for a day of chats? They would much rather interview rounded people who are actually doing things.

How is your strategy of being too snooty to roll-up your sleeves doing for your career plans - oh, I see. Perhaps you should try listening to others instead of bludgeoning on with your blinkers set.

Sorry? Not just direct skills and experience I have 20 years history, 4 references and recommendations, one even from a CEO of a large international hotel group. All of which are useless to be fair as no one cares.

I have applied for lots of voluntary work with no success and number of shop jobs where I do not get past the selection online.

Plus a number of companies who wont interview me as I have too much experience and they say the job will not be enough for me.

With 20 years accounts experience how will sweeping the streets help me?

You are actually more likely to get an interview via an agency if you are working regardless of experience as agencies have told me this. So with that and a number of companies turning down the over qualified I don't see how doing 'some thing' helps anyone get a job.

Oh yeah I never said I was an 'accountant' by the way.

Jerry_Mander

busy_mom wrote: »

I never said i agreed with any of the courses or journey, I never said I agreed with UJ. I in fact hate UJ, I disagree with the WP and obviously time will tell if community action programme will work.

Perhaps you could help me then with some insider information. I have a dispute running with the Jobcentre that revolves around the targets that advisers are set. I need to know how the DWP are hiding the fact that there are definite targets being set for sanctioning jobseekers.

I know that all JCP advisers have "expectations" which in everyday language are targets but I am unsure how these expectations are monitored and to what extent they can affect an adviser's day to day interaction with a jobseeker. I do know that offloads or off-flows are monitored per adviser but are these the only measure by which an adviser's performance is being monitored?

Rather than go on and tell you what I know perhaps you could expand on what I've said and fill in the gaps for me? This will be a test of whether you're here to really help the downtrodden jobseeker or whether you are here, as I suspect, to promote the party line.