After the Work Programme

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

So hang on your just THOUGHT that but didn't say it out loud to them? The bit where you said you could have logged off? I don't think anything should be logging off anything before the JC have gone home for the day (5pm).

Yes I would have loved them as I would have asked them to only call my mobile and that I sleep with it.
Then I would have asked them to show me where it says that if the JC call on the home phone and you are in the loo and have no voicemail you get a sanction!!!

So you didn't learn anything but did you speak up??

no, i didnt say it out loud. sometimes i get the inclination but mostly i just feel its best to just keep quiet and let them believe they are fooling me. doesnt mean it wouldnt have been fun to watch someone else put them in their place. why would you be logged into ujm all day all of the time? dont you ever have a doctors appointment? job interview? etc.
bad idea giving them a mobile number. what if the battery dies? what if you dont hear it ring? etc. its harder to find an acceptable reason from their point of view if you dont answer. with a home phone you can simply say you werent in and theres nothing in the rules saying people cant leave the house during the day.
also to be fair they didnt specify home phone they simply said if we phone you. they didnt rule it out either though. there was no this only applies to mobile users or anything like that.
i forgot the other pet peeve of yours. they said there is no toilet access and that if you need the toilet you must use the pubs toilet around the corner.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

no, i didnt say it out loud. sometimes i get the inclination but mostly i just feel its best to just keep quiet and let them believe they are fooling me. doesnt mean it wouldnt have been fun to watch someone else put them in their place. why would you be logged into ujm all day all of the time? dont you ever have a doctors appointment? job interview? etc.
bad idea giving them a mobile number. what if the battery dies? what if you dont hear it ring? etc. its harder to find an acceptable reason from their point of view if you dont answer. with a home phone you can simply say you werent in and theres nothing in the rules saying people cant leave the house during the day.
also to be fair they didnt specify home phone they simply said if we phone you. they didnt rule it out either though. there was no this only applies to mobile users or anything like that.
i forgot the other pet peeve of yours. they said there is no toilet access and that if you need the toilet you must use the pubs toilrt around the corner.

So you moan on here yet say nothing in person - I wonder why?

No don't wait for someone else to speak up when you know they can not do that re the phone.

The same goes for home or mobile if you don't hear it ring. I have no voicemail on my mobile as it costs and I have only payg with 0.00p on my phone and the JC only ever call me on the home phone and I have it with me always and never away from my lap top longer than a loo break or a trip to the JC

No good asking me about the doctors apt or an interview, why didn't you ask them?

If they say it get it in WRITING!!!!!

As no one said anything they are going to think RESULT we are dealing with a bunch of idiots.

and at that point I would have put my hand up and said I have a period and can I go to the loo

red_devil

donnajunkie wrote: »

the approach is everyones a scrounger and making their lives hell will make them take a job.

But it dosent because there arent enough.

they have a charter they are supposed to treat you with respect. Looks like they have forgotten that.

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

The same goes for home or mobile if you don't hear it ring.

No good asking me about the doctors apt or an interview, why didn't you ask them?


As no one said anything they are going to think RESULT we are dealing with a bunch of idiots.

and at that point I would have put my hand up and said I have a period and can I go to the loo

you would struggle to convince them you didnt hear it ring. with a home phone you can say you were out. with a mobile people usually have them with them all of the time so its harder to find a reason they will accept.
i couldnt care less whether they thought i was an idiot or not.
lol, yeah i thought if i was ever on a bad course in the jobcentre that required us to be there all day i would be going to the toilet alot.

donnajunkie

red_devil wrote: »

But it dosent because there arent enough.

they have a charter they are supposed to treat you with respect. Looks like they have forgotten that.

well they said it all in a polite tone of voice and manner.

red_devil

Thatsca cheek telling you can use the pub toilets. Have the pub approved this. Tell them. Thats incredible.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

you would struggle to convince them you didnt hear it ring. with a home phone you can say you were out. with a mobile people usually have them with them all of the time so its harder to find a reason they will accept.
i couldnt care less whether they thought i was an idiot or not.
lol, yeah i thought if i was ever on a bad course in the jobcentre that required us to be there all day i would be going to the toilet alot.

you did ask them for that all in writing? And making you give them access?

Maybe in a weeks time ask if they have called you with any jobs and see what they say

red_devil

Post or pm the pub number they should know the jobcentre have offered their tolilets out free. Ifvyhe pub say no, the course may get scrapped.:D9

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

you did ask them for that all in writing? And making you give them access?

Maybe in a weeks time ask if they have called you with any jobs and see what they say

they didnt say we had to give access. they just came out with a load of guff to persuade/scare us into giving access.
edit.
they have never ever called me about a job.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

they didnt say we had to give access. they just came out with a load of guff to persuade/scare us into giving access.
edit.
they have never ever called me about a job.

but they are going to call you as you have not given them access so by what you have said they are going to make you give access or say they are going to call you. So don't miss a call and ask them why they haven't called with any jobs! I would.