After the Work Programme

AP007

Morglin wrote: »

:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@benefits/documents/digitalasset/dg_202270.pdf

DWP and WP complaints procedure:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-work-pensions/about/complaints-procedure

WP complaints have to be made with the WP provider direct.

You have to contact them and ask for a copy of the complaints procedure and who you need to contact.

szam_

tomterm8 wrote: »

You close down the jobcentre, the work program, and every other similar initiative.

Give everyone a citizens income, which you progressively withdraw through income tax once income goes above ten grand.

Then, use the money you save closing the job center to produce a training fund that can be used on any commercially available vocational course, or on interview clothes or travel to interview.

Of course, none of this will happen.

A nice idea on paper. Can't help but feel some people would deem it as unfair that people could live comfortably for nothing though.

Of course, you couldn't cut the cost of the JCP entirely as administration would be needed for things like changes in circumstances. But I can see how it would be beneficial and give it a real feel as though if you work, you will be better off than those that don't by choice, so long as those by choice aren't able to live more comfortably than those earning 13 or 14k a year for example.

One thing I feel that wouldn't work with that is slowly reducing that amount up to 10k. Wouldn't that make those who work part-time low income jobs because of family, or disabilities feel like they'd be better off without a job as they'd be no better off?

Definitely a interesting concept though.

Morglin

tomterm8 wrote: »

I don't really agree... whatever the barrier to entries I think all fit people can work, and with the right support and help will eventually find their way to employability or self-employment.

But, as a society we need to concentrate our support and help on the people who want to work, and the people we can help.

If 95% of the people want to work, concentrating all your effort on the 5% that doesn't is a waste of resources and time.

I think, given enough proper jobs available, all fit people can work as well - but so many jobs today are part time, temporary, zero contracts etc., which nobody can ever plan a sensible life around.

You cannot buy a house, or rent easily, as well as other things if you do not know what next week's wages will be. There's also the point hat many are very low paid, and rely on taxpayer funding (tax credits and other welfare top ups) to bring them up anywhere near adequate.

There is a limit to how many people can succeed at self employment, as some will, but many new ventures fail.

I don't know what we do with the truly useless and idle, as they have existed for a long time, and nothing much has helped. Some areas, where industries went, and never returned, in the 80's, are on about the third generation of the 'benefit culture'.

Areas are fun down, drugs are rife and many kids are leaving school ill equipped and undereducated for work, which is very different to how it was when I left education.

Even graduates are struggling to find work, so what chance do the less employable stand?

I suppose, though, if there were easy answers, someone would have done it years ago..

Lin

Morglin

AP007 wrote: »

WP complaints have to be made with the WP provider direct.

You have to contact them and ask for a copy of the complaints procedure and who you need to contact.

The link told you how to proceed, as there is a complaints system, which should be used if someone thinks they are being unfairly treated.

Lin

BillJones

sensibleadvice wrote: »

So you're not only claiming advisors do their best to make life so bad you sign off and have special advisors who are picked for their hardness and nastiness but theirs a conspiracy with management and senior managers.

Could it be they've all spotted an under performing claimant with bad attitude perchance.

I really feel for these advisers, having to repeatedly see the same, smirking faces, hands out for state money, and ready with a complaint the moment things don't go their way. It must be soul-destroying to realise that you are being judged on your inability to get these sort of people back into work.

As others have said, there are some people who we need to accept can't be helped. They should be parked o the minimum possible amount of benefits, and left to their own devices. It is a waste of good people's time and efforts to pretend that anything can ever be done for them.

This would free up resources for people who are genuinely trying, and who would benefit from whatever help is available.

Fortunately the government seem to be similarly minded, and we are hopefully moving in the right direction niw.

red_devil

BillJones wrote: »

I really feel for these advisers, having to repeatedly see the same, smirking faces, hands out for state money, and ready with a complaint the moment things don't go their way. It must be soul-destroying to realise that you are being judged on your inability to get these sort of people back into work.

As others have said, there are some people who we need to accept can't be helped. They should be parked o the minimum possible amount of benefits, and left to their own devices. It is a waste of good people's time and efforts to pretend that anything can ever be done for them.

This would free up resources for people who are genuinely trying, and who would benefit from whatever help is available.

Fortunately the government seem to be similarly minded, and we are hopefully moving in the right direction niw.

Jog on you clueless silly old man. Who cares what you think.

red_devil

Odious is another good description of you. Nothing to add on here except spouting vile rubbish. What a stupid question do we feel sorry for advisors no we dont they dont have to work at the jobcentre. I feel more sorry for you being you.

stix62

billjones wrote: »

i really feel for these advisers, having to repeatedly see the same, smirking faces, hands out for state money, and ready with a complaint the moment things don't go their way. It must be soul-destroying to realise that you are being judged on your inability to get these sort of people back into work. if a complaint is upheld, it was justified, and therefore the inability comes in not doing their job correctly. If it wasn't they should take it as a pat on the back they were doing their job correctly.

as others have said, there are some people who we need to accept can't be helped. They should be parked o the minimum possible amount of benefits, and left to their own devices. It is a waste of good people's time and efforts to pretend that anything can ever be done for them. even the most anti jc/wp amongst us won't/can't disagree with that. Oh hang on, wasn't that what used to happen in the good 'ol days before it was decided the benefits bill was too high and it's time to screw the poorest in the land? :think: :doh:

this would free up resources for people who are genuinely trying, and who would benefit from whatever help is available. fair enough, but if we say we don't need or want any help leave us to our own devices too!

fortunately the government seem to be similarly minded, and we are hopefully moving in the right direction niw. like we need reminding, it's a disgrace!

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donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

To promote your advisor bashing agenda. Which is pretty pointless if you can't back it up with facts as it looks just like the bitter prejudice it is.

why would anyone want to make up criticisms of someone who is nothing but great with them?

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

That's your perception. Are they doing their job? Have they asked for something inappropriate? If so as Lin has said there's a complaints procedure.

if i have a choice whether to believe someone with actual experience or someone like yourself with no experience who am i likely to believe?