After the Work Programme

red_devil

sensibleadvice wrote: »

So you're not only claiming advisors do their best to make life so bad you sign off and have special advisors who are picked for their hardness and nastiness but theirs a conspiracy with management and senior managers.

Could it be they've all spotted an under performing claimant with bad attitude perchance.

No. Again i fail to see your point of being on the discussion, your not unemployed and have nothing to bring to the discussion.

Denning.

red_devil wrote: »

No. Again i fail to see your point of being on the discussion, your not unemployed and have nothing to bring to the discussion.

You're not employed so you aren't able to comment on job center employees, your opinion on any worker is irrelevant due to your unemployment.

Morglin

Denning. wrote: »

You're not employed so you aren't able to comment on job center employees, your opinion on any worker is irrelevant due to your unemployment.

Well, that's not really the case is it?

I am retired but it doesn't stop me, nor should it, on commenting on either government employees, or private firm employees. They are all paid to provide a service, whatever they do.

The only people that know what is going on with the DWP/JCP/WP's are the service users, service providers and various welfare rights bodies.

Whatever anyone thinks about those unemployed, and how they became that way, the fact remains that the government's own enquiries/reviews/targets etc., have shown that the WP's are less than helpful with getting people back to work, and, as taxpayers funding all this nonsense, that should be of concern to us all.:mad:

Lin

imatt

Denning. wrote: »

You're not employed so you aren't able to comment on job center employees, your opinion on any worker is irrelevant due to your unemployment.

A very odd statement indeed. The vast majority of people are not footballers (or rugby players, cricketers, athletes, basketball players, etc). It still does not stop people having an opinion on their favourite teams and players now does it?

Surely if you are a jobseeker, you have every right to comment on the level of service you receive. Just as a customer of Sainsbury, Morrisons, Tesco of Lidl is even if they've never worked for them.

KevInChester

imatt wrote: »

A very odd statement indeed. The vast majority of people are not footballers (or rugby players, cricketers, athletes, basketball players, etc). It still does not stop people having an opinion on their favourite teams and players now does it?

Surely if you are a jobseeker, you have every right to comment on the level of service you receive. Just as a customer of Sainsbury, Morrisons, Tesco of Lidl is even if they've never worked for them.

Apparently not. I like yourself have apparently missed the memo that went out regarding this.

Morglin

I think that most of this hostility between groups was inevitable after the government decided to issue (often silly) propaganda that there are proper jobs for all, and that anyone not in work, and claiming JSA is, by definition, a waster.

They did the same with anyone disabled, via papers like the DM, to suggest that all those claiming disability benefits were frauds - luckily the numbers eligible, by their own tests, remain about the same, and the public are starting to see through all the rhetoric and false statistics.

Everyone needs to accept that, thanks to all the industries we have lost, increased technology, rising immigration, and a rising birth rate, there will never be enough jobs for all.

On that basis, we need to support those out of work, perhaps in return for them doing something useful to the community, without wasting millions on WP's that will never do anything much.

But, we do need need to get control of some out of work, as seen on Benefits Street, as it is not good for them, their kids or the wider society to let it continue.

Lin

red_devil

Denning. wrote: »

You're not employed so you aren't able to comment on job center employees, your opinion on any worker is irrelevant due to your unemployment.

Its very relevant as i am under the jc.

tomterm8

Morglin wrote: »

Everyone needs to accept that, thanks to all the industries we have lost, increased technology, rising immigration, and a rising birth rate, there will never be enough jobs for all.

I don't really agree... whatever the barrier to entries I think all fit people can work, and with the right support and help will eventually find their way to employability or self-employment.

But, as a society we need to concentrate our support and help on the people who want to work, and the people we can help.

If 95% of the people want to work, concentrating all your effort on the 5% that doesn't is a waste of resources and time.

szam_

tomterm8 wrote: »

I don't really agree... whatever the barrier to entries I think all fit people can work, and with the right support and help will eventually find their way to employability or self-employment.

But, as a society we need to concentrate our support and help on the people who want to work, and the people we can help.

If 95% of the people want to work, concentrating all your effort on the 5% that doesn't is a waste of resources and time.

I agree. Catch 22 really.

How do you root out the 5% of people who don't want to work, when they demand they do want to work so they are receiving their JSA payments?

Further food for thought, say you did successfully root out that 5% who do not want to work, what do you then do with them? Continue giving them an income for nothing? You couldn't just cut off all income, human rights campaigners would be up-in-arms, the streets would see a massive rise in homeless people occupying them and crime would no doubt increase significantly.

tomterm8

You close down the jobcentre, the work program, and every other similar initiative.

Give everyone a citizens income, which you progressively withdraw through income tax once income goes above ten grand.

Then, use the money you save closing the job center to produce a training fund that can be used on any commercially available vocational course, or on interview clothes or travel to interview.

Of course, none of this will happen.