After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

that will apply to some but that is not what i had in mind.

So, specifically, which barriers do you think can't be overcome?

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

do you think unemployed equals brain dead moron? and as i have said alot of people dont write their own cvs or at the very least they get someone to check it for them.

No, not at all. I do think that many portray negativity in their application. Negativity they can't see for themselves. Negativity evidenced by their results. I'd bet that most of the negative posters on here can't switch that off in their applications; again evidenced in their lack of results.

sensibleadvice

iammumtoone wrote: »

I would guess that 90% of that is because an employer would rather employ someone who is either currently working or only just out of a job rather than the long term unemployed person.

As an employer if you had candidates that were the same on paper but couldn't interview them all, which ones would you choice to interview? would it be the ones currently working or the long term unemployed ones?

I am not saying it is impossible for the long term unemployed to find work but it certainly gets harder the longer you are unemployed.

You're correct in guessing that. But the point is there are jobs. Harder, to get for some, but not impossible. Claims there aren't any jobs are just lazy excuses.

sensibleadvice

imatt wrote: »

Now your backtracking as I suspected you would. If you really meant this, then why not say so in the beginning?? Surely it's not THAT hard?

Perhaps you should stop, step back, think and consider what you wish to contribute before putting finger to keyboard in future.

And you were selective in what you chose to quote.

Still all clarified now, including stating the obvious for those who struggle to comprehend.

imatt

sensibleadvice wrote: »

And you were selective in what you chose to quote.

Still all clarified now, including stating the obvious for those who struggle to comprehend.

Of course I was selective! Mainly about the part about you stating that people should apply for any job regardless. I very much doubt you'd have bothered clarifying your words had I not picked you up on it.

Again, THINK before typing. It is not my or anyone else's job to second guess what you mean or fail to convey.

Podge52

sensibleadvice wrote: »

You're correct in guessing that. But the point is there are jobs. Harder, to get for some, but not impossible. Claims there aren't any jobs are just lazy excuses.

So why are 4 million + people looking for work?
Are you suggesting that all those people don't want to find work even though they are looking?

You really don't live up to your username do you.

I'm not saying there are no jobs, that would be stupid, but there are not enough for all the people that are looking. If you can't understand that then I'm surprised you have the intelligence to hold down the job you have, if you have one.

Denning.

Podge52 wrote: »

So why are 4 million + people looking for work?
Are you suggesting that all those people don't want to find work even though they are looking?

You really don't live up to your username do you.

You are conflating two separate issues. Just because there is unemployment doesn't mean that someone who has been unemployed for years has an excuse. Vast majority of people are unemployed at some point, very few remain so for years at a time.

Podge52

Denning. wrote: »

You are conflating two separate issues. Just because there is unemployment doesn't mean that someone who has been unemployed for years has an excuse. Vast majority of people are unemployed at some point, very few remain so for years at a time.

Of course they have a reason. It's already been established that employers would choose somebody recently unemployed or still working over long term unemployed.

Just let me add for clarity that I agree that there are a core of long term unemployed who have no intention of finding a job, but that's not the case for the vast majority, which you're suggesting it is.

Denning.

Podge52 wrote: »

Of course they have a reason. It's already been established that employers would choose somebody recently unemployed or still working over long term unemployed.

Just let me add for clarity that I agree that there are a core of long term unemployed who have no intention of finding a job, but that's not the case for the vast majority, which you're suggesting it is.

Well no, I haven't implied anyone is intentionally not looking for work. Again you are playing the victim card. What myself and numerous other posters have said is that many of the long term employed on here are continuously doing the same thing over and over again, getting the same result, ie nothing, and starting the same thing again.

They then cry for threads to be locked, for members to be punished for 'bullying', seeking reinforcement that what they have been doing is the right thing from other people just like them.

You seem hell bent on patting people on the back, telling them to keep up the good work knowing full well that it is unlikely to lead to employment, you should be ashamed of yourself.

AP007

Denning. wrote: »

Well no, I haven't implied anyone is intentionally not looking for work. Again you are playing the victim card. What myself and numerous other posters have said is that many of the long term employed on here are continuously doing the same thing over and over again, getting the same result, ie nothing, and starting the same thing again.

They then cry for threads to be locked, for members to be punished for 'bullying', seeking reinforcement that what they have been doing is the right thing from other people just like them.

You seem hell bent on patting people on the back, telling them to keep up the good work knowing full well that it is unlikely to lead to employment, you should be ashamed of yourself.

The thread may I point out is meant to be about post WP support and since you know nothing about it what could you possibly contribute?