After the Work Programme

imatt

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Employer says stack item A on shelf B, then C on D etc. Employer checks A and says restack with label to front. Then do same with C. Now stack E on F. By this time own devices may apply and employer then observes timeliness, attitude, interaction, initiative, punctuality, work ethic etc. Many on WP will be complaining at having to stack A, let alone restack A. Or moaning that an employee is only doing the same as they are. At this point they've defeated themselves.

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This has nothing whatsoever to do with the points made about the WP.

imatt

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I've said several times that people need to show initiative and do something different if what they're doing isn't working.

Can drive? There's plenty of cleaning, warehouse, gardening etc jobs, especially part time but then we ear those types are beneath some or mean they're 'worse off'. In this case, what they fail to take account of is the opportunities the low paid job could lead to.

Not many post their work SOA, most generalise with usual lazy postS of 'no jobs' etc is lazy.

These are YOUR very words:

By then they should have considered widening their search and any and every job. If they're unable to find work after all that it suggests fundamental underlying problem.

So again, I put it to you as an example that someone who cannot drive should apply for a job as a courier driver? Someone who has never used Photoshop should apply for a job in the graphics industry?

Yes, a jobseeker should widen his or her scope of vacancies be all means. However, one also has to be realistic. You are deliberately confusing jobs that some people may look down on with those others cannot realistically do.

You also are making many posts here without having knowledge of what you are saying. This is clearly evident considering what you believe the WP to actually be.

mro

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I've said several times that people need to show initiative and do something different if what they're doing isn't working.

Can drive? There's plenty of cleaning, warehouse, gardening etc jobs, especially part time but then we ear those types are beneath some or mean they're 'worse off'. In this case, what they fail to take account of is the opportunities the low paid job could lead to.

Not many post their work SOA, most generalise with usual lazy postS of 'no jobs' etc is lazy.

When did you last take your own advice ?

Start your own advice thread, start your own group, put it into action.

You can show Jobcentres & Work Programme private companies how it is done to get people into sustainable work.


You obviously think you know better than everybody and have regularly dismissed first hand comments of things you have no experience of whatsoever as negativity.

Your advice is generalised, lazy, stereotyped and generally useless.

Denning.

Podge52 wrote: »

Maybe you and the person who thanked your post need to go on a math course.

"Unemployment in the United Kingdom is measured by the Office for National Statistics and in mid-January 2012 it stood at 8.3 per cent of the active population, or 2.67 million people, with a further 1.3 million "partially unemployed" (or "under-employed") people in part-time work but unable to find full-time work[1] and 2.3 million "discouraged workers", people recorded as inactive but wanting a job"

Discouraged workers aren't looking for work, by definition. Don't argue from ignorance, you look silly. Also make sure you comprehend your sources before posting posting them.

Podge52

"discouraged workers", people recorded as inactive but wanting a job"

Surely if you want a job and find one (you know, one of those that aren't advertised that no one knows anything about but find anyway) you would take it.

Even if we leave aside the "discouraged" there are still four or so million looking for work so why are they not taking all the jobs that are available?

The most obvious answer is that there are no jobs, or at least not enough jobs to accommodate all those looking for one.

stix62

Denning. wrote: »

Discouraged workers aren't looking for work, by definition. Don't argue from ignorance, you look silly. Also make sure you comprehend your sources before posting posting them.

Discouraged, by definition: 'having lost confidence or enthusiasm; disheartened'.

A lot of us on JSA are discouraged, it doesn't mean we've stopped looking for a job or given up hope.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

That's true, with some posters the barrier is themselves and would appear no matter how hard others try to offer advice and support if they don't like what they hear they blame anything but themselves. Until the true barrier can be acknowledged they'll carry on doing the same thing and get the same results. In the end though, they are only lying to themselves.

that will apply to some but that is not what i had in mind.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

It's reasonable and justified to expect someone who's been unemployed and claiming long term without success with no improvement doing the same thing to go on courses, truing, work programmes etc. Reasonable because they've already evidenced that what they're doing isn't working so safe to say something is wrong with their approach. In that case it's also true that doing something different can't make a long term failed job seeking campaign any worse but has every chance of making improvements.

its not doing something different. these course are all the same. and its only worth doing something different if that thing is of some worth. doing something different just for the sake of it is not reasonable and is a waste of time and money.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

They may think that. I for one don't believe they can switch their negativity on and off for forums. As evidenced by their job searching results.

do you think unemployed equals brain dead moron? and as i have said alot of people dont write their own cvs or at the very least they get someone to check it for them.

donnajunkie

sensibleadvice wrote: »

It's relatively easy to spot generic CVs with no originality written by a third party. There's only so much a professional can do with a CV if there's a lack of content, skills, experience or large gaps with no work experience. In the end it's up to the individual to make themselves stand out and employable. If that means just employable enough to get just the most basic job then that's what they should do and build from there.

but that is not evidence of a negative attitude towards the jobcentre, courses etc.