After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

AP007 wrote: »

So what advice can you offer on the work programme? OR even what to do after it?

I bet you do not even know what happens to most on the WP, do you?

Make an impression whilst you're on it. Most employers will recognise a worker that is too good to let go.

Claimants go do the 'same' job as FT employees for their benefit. Only, despite what some may say it's not the same.

Podge52

Denning. wrote: »

6.5 million unemployed? God knows what newspaper you read, even the 'Daily Fail' gets that one right.

You quite clearly read what you want to see rather than what is actually posted. I didn't read 6.5 million unemployed, I read 6.5 million looking for work. That's a completely different thing and is I believe a true figure.

How many people do you believe are looking for work, and I don't mean just the unemployed?

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Make an impression whilst you're on it. Most employers will recognise a worker that is too good to let go.

Claimants go do the 'same' job as FT employees for their benefit. Only, despite what some may say it's not the same.

And can you tell me how to make a good impression whilst on the WP?

If you think you get to meet employers whilst on it, you don't

I was 'let go' as the company were making cut backs (lost a fair bit of £ in 2008/2009) and I along with all of payroll were made redundant. It was not that we were bad quite the opposite. It was a bad business decision (a new accounts system Nav that didn't have a payroll arm) that made us unemployed. When the directors realised it was too late.

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

What's posted on here is real negativity IMO, probably from being out of work or in some cases from wanting to remain out of work. Some, as you say have worked for a long time and found themselves out of work. Others have been out of work for years and are finding it more difficult to merely turn up and collect every 2 weeks. It's a tough world and IMO faux utopia helps no one.

so you shouldn't class us all the same.

Denning.

The_ICT_Engineer wrote: »

I stated the number of people seeking employment (Which is Far higher) Not the number of unemployed which is lower. There are over a million people underemployed in part time jobs who are seeking full time employment. Then there are the people who are not signing, but are seeking employment. The list goes on. Don't forget that people who have been placed on the Work Program or have been sanction are removed from the figures as is anyone on workfare.

Oh so you are making up figures to suit your agenda. Show your sources.

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

Did the presentation state that or is it just your interpretation? Are you annoyed because it doesn't apply to you and you can't consider the possibility it may apply to others?
Or to be fair it was probably more likely saying 'if the cap fits'. Those laying on sofas with cans of beer might realise the cap fits and change their approach. Or they may grunt 'so what' and carry on.

The presentation was for those unemployed on the work programme and it never said 'do some of you have a drink problem'

It was 'have you cut down on your alcohol consumption' meaning to me they are talking to all of us.

Annoyed as they like a lot of people on here think we must all be like that.

Films like that are meant to help people get a job? I'd like to know how?

sensibleadvice

imatt wrote: »

But this assumes that:

A) Work schemes such as the Work Program are effective. they are not. They are a multi-billion pound waste of money and an utter disgrace. Evidence shows that the WP is actually no better and indeed WORSE than leaving jobseekers to their own devices.

That some jobseekers have actually not sought to do things directly, differently and indeed to use an over used phrase "think outside the box". Those that have have often been hindered and not helped by the JC and WP.

A jobseeker may not be allowed to partake a certain course of their own choosing as they may be told it interferes with their jobsearch. Even though it increases a jobseekers chances of gaining skills and qualifications. Whilst someone on the WP for example may be told that a certain course is not availble due to lack of funds. And yet we're told the WP is supposed to be a "tailored" form of support.

Honestly, tell me, how long are people left to their own devices before they end up on WP?

Honestly, tell me, those 'hindered' by JC and WP, how long have they been thinking out the box?

Denning.

Podge52 wrote: »

You quite clearly read what you want to see rather than what is actually posted. I didn't read 6.5 million unemployed, I read 6.5 million looking for work. That's a completely different thing and is I believe a true figure.

How many people do you believe are looking for work, and I don't mean just the unemployed?

Oh please, clutching at straws. Looking for work does not include people in full time jobs having a quick gander at reed.co.uk during their lunch.

Looking for work means those who aren't in working, including those looking for more work, the figure is not 6.5 million.

Podge52

Denning. wrote: »

Oh please, clutching at straws. Looking for work does not include people in full time jobs having a quick gander at reed.co.uk during their lunch.

Looking for work means those who aren't in working, including those looking for more work, the figure is not 6.5 million.

So what is the figure then?

And more to the point, if there is no lack of jobs why are these people still looking rather than doing the jobs that are available?

sensibleadvice

mro wrote: »

Just because someone is alive & breathing & employed does not mean they are qualified to offer advice to other people.

We mostly learn from people with experience in what we're trying to achieve.

You think employed people's experience of how they got there or supported others to get there wouldn't help someone who wants to get there and has failed long term to do so?