After the Work Programme

mro

sensibleadvice wrote: »

They're my views based on what's posted.

Perhaps you'd explain what you do and how are you're qualified to know better?

You live in an idealised world.

You have no experience of dealing with unemployed or long term unemployed face to face.

You have dismissed their comments on things they have first hand experience of which you don't. It is obvious everything can be improved everywhere, for jobseekers, Jobcentres, Work Programme.

Start your own thread giving out your generalised advice.

sensibleadvice

iammumtoone wrote: »

You have said that before , once you pointed it out (thanks) I agree with what you are saying, it must be extremely easy for an employer to spot the ones from the people claiming JSA who have had them written for them.

Yes it is, if only because the templates are the same. Same headings, same spacing, same alignment same cliches.

iammumtoone wrote: »

What you might not realise is claimants are encourage to use these. When I started claiming I was asked if I had a CV, I replied I did, the next question was who wrote it, when I said "me" I was send on a course to have it re-written for me! After I had completed the course I was then informed "good you have a proper CV now it will help". It hasn't and partly due to your comments and partly to my own conclusions I am now in the process of re-writing it completely in my own words, as was my original.

If someone doesn't have a CV or has no idea on CVs then those written for them are better than nothing. In the end the applications are yours. The CV is yours. It's about you and good for you re writing yours.

sensibleadvice

iammumtoone wrote: »

That is true I am lucky enough not to have had to watch one myself but I know the type you are talking about. However in my place of work the staff only had to watch it the once not every time they went to lift a box.

That's probably because they were successful in lifting boxes on subsequent occasions after having the advice.

sensibleadvice

AP007 wrote: »

This was nothing to do with recruitment at all. It was an assumption that ALL unemployed are laying on sofas with cans of beer as shown in the photo when the question came up on the film.

Did the presentation state that or is it just your interpretation? Are you annoyed because it doesn't apply to you and you can't consider the possibility it may apply to others?
Or to be fair it was probably more likely saying 'if the cap fits'. Those laying on sofas with cans of beer might realise the cap fits and change their approach. Or they may grunt 'so what' and carry on.

imatt

Denning. wrote: »

Wow, really? I mean I don't know how I could be any clearer.

Yes, really! You were as clear as mud unfortunately.

The_ICT_Engineer

Having looked through the postings of cluelessadvice. I have come to the conclusion that he is a member of the Daily Mail readers club.

Like all the lowlife that read the daily Fail, he has the same narrow minded view of the unemployed that all readers of this right-wing rag have. Far to many people in HR departments read and believe what they read in this paper.

While the number of people( 6.5m) seeking employment exceeds the available number of Jobs (0.5m), there will always be unemployment. Which is something that a Daily Mail reader cannot understand and never will..

sensibleadvice

AP007 wrote: »

Health and safety as you know is a bit different to wearing a suit to an interview

You've been in work 25 years. You're now looking for work and *possibly*? have an approach that is similar to how people applied for jobs years ago i.e. smart, suit, manners, first impressions etc (which is not a bad thing).

Judging by some applicants, not everyone understands this so it would appear necessary to state the obvious to these. Unfortunately that may mean stating the obvious to the whole class.

Denning.

6.5 million unemployed? God knows what newspaper you read, even the 'Daily Fail' gets that one right.

sensibleadvice

mro wrote: »

What do you think the Jobcentres & Work Programme private companies do all day long ?

When was last time you were unemployed & long term unemployed.

When was last time you had direct experience of Job Centre, its staff, programmes & systems ?

When was last time you had direct experience of the Work Programme ?

Try to make the hard to employ more employable.

Never, although I've helped people that genuinely wanted help out of their situation.

I've seen their systems when helping as above.

Never been on one but aware of people getting employment from them.

The_ICT_Engineer

Denning. wrote: »

6.5 million unemployed? God knows what newspaper you read, even the 'Daily Fail' gets that one right.

I stated the number of people seeking employment (Which is Far higher) Not the number of unemployed which is lower. There are over a million people underemployed in part time jobs who are seeking full time employment. Then there are the people who are not signing, but are seeking employment. The list goes on. Don't forget that people who have been placed on the Work Program or have been sanction are removed from the figures as is anyone on workfare.