After the Work Programme

mro

donnajunkie wrote: »

it just seems to have become over run by posters saying how the unemployed have a bad attitude and its all their own fault just because they dare to criticise a stupid course. this thread was meant to be one where people could support each other rather than a general discussion.

It's best just to avoid them.

They aren't unemployed, they haven't been on WP, they're not in each person's situation, they haven't seen what Jobcentre & courses are like.

They are arrogant, condescending & patronising.

donnajunkie

zak2012 wrote: »

Thanks, my friend is on ESA and she taking medication and her GP wrote support letter ,she also on DLA but been put on ESA warg in past few years ,she use2 be with work program and the lady from work program used2 call her by phone sometimes she didnt need go there , but now she worried about jobcentre and her advisor is worse person u ever imagine she dont know what to do now,can she ask to be sent back to work program again?

they cant go back to the wp. they should make it clear what restrictions the condition has on them. if they ever suggest to them to do something that isnt possible due to the condition then they should remind them and explain. if they suffer unfair treatment from them they may need to consider going through the complaints procedure.

donnajunkie

iammumtoone wrote: »

Thanks is she doing an evening course? I will look into it further I need to speak to someone (not a advisor) to find what what the actual rules are regarding courses.

i dont know if its an evening course but i am pretty sure it doesnt matter. i think the rules just require it to be less than 16 hours per week and that you must be willing to give it up for a job.

donnajunkie

Denning. wrote: »

Oh please. People are.'attacking' people who happen to be unemployed. That isn't the same as attacking the unemployed. You're proving their point. Blaming everyone else and refusing to take personal responsibilty.

whatever the case maybe it doesnt change the fact that the purpose of this thread was for people to talk about their experiences and offer support to each other.

sensibleadvice

iammumtoone wrote: »

I am not an accountant however looking at the list of roles I have to agree they sound fairly junior and I am quite confident I could do them with a bit of training. HOWEVER we then get to this bit A degree and/or strong A-Level results (A-C grades) in numerical subjects this to me then stops it being a junior role.

Serious question do employers now need degrees or strong A levels for the junior positions? It highlights a flaw in my CV I don't even have A levels does this mean I now won't even be considered for junior roles :eek: I am aware of this shortcoming and like I said earlier I asked the JC if I could do a college course but was told no. The JC are only interested in people obtaining the equivalent A-C GCSE in maths and english. I already have these but I don't think its enough these days and it seems you are not allowed to better yourself more

Many employers do expect quite high qualifications as above for what are quite junior roles. Often this is because they can find people with these qualifications who are happy to work at this level, often without expecting progression. You only have to look at how many graduates are in junior roles to see this.

That said, it is possible to *sometimes* be successful in applying for jobs without having all the qualifications. This is especially true if you're able to say you're working towards the short fall. It's important to be aware and acknowledge any short comings, state and convince the employer what you're doing to address those. If they can see you're keen many will consider applicants with fewer qualifications if, on balance other areas are OK.

ETA - you don't need to ask JC to do a college course - it's your job search. Obviously you may have to work that in with job seeking but that should be possible and <working towards xxx> on your CV is a plus.

sensibleadvice

red_devil wrote: »

no they wont.

There's a fair few here with the wrong approach, totally negative on taking responsibility, blaming the economy, govt etc. Guess what the same folk aren't finding work whilst others are. You keep convincing yourself there's no correlation and you'll still be here posting the same thing in months and years to come. In fact some on here have evidenced that already.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

not all barriers can be overcome.

That's true, with some posters the barrier is themselves and would appear no matter how hard others try to offer advice and support if they don't like what they hear they blame anything but themselves. Until the true barrier can be acknowledged they'll carry on doing the same thing and get the same results. In the end though, they are only lying to themselves.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

you are wrong to say anything is justified. anything fair and reasonable with a good chance of success is justified.

It's reasonable and justified to expect someone who's been unemployed and claiming long term without success with no improvement doing the same thing to go on courses, truing, work programmes etc. Reasonable because they've already evidenced that what they're doing isn't working so safe to say something is wrong with their approach. In that case it's also true that doing something different can't make a long term failed job seeking campaign any worse but has every chance of making improvements.

mro

sensibleadvice wrote: »

There's a fair few here with the wrong approach, totally negative on taking responsibility, blaming the economy, govt etc. Guess what the same folk aren't finding work whilst others are. You keep convincing yourself there's no correlation and you'll still be here posting the same thing in months and years to come. In fact some on here have evidenced that already.

sensibleadvice wrote: »

That's true, with some posters the barrier is themselves and would appear no matter how hard others try to offer advice and support if they don't like what they hear they blame anything but themselves. Until the true barrier can be acknowledged they'll carry on doing the same thing and get the same results. In the end though, they are only lying to themselves.

You know little or nothing about the people and their approach.

You have dismissed their comments on things they have first hand experience of which you don't.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Your generalised advice does not match your username and is generally useless.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

yes some make mistakes but most have the brains to not put their negative attitude of the system into their application.

They may think that. I for one don't believe they can switch their negativity on and off for forums. As evidenced by their job searching results.