After the Work Programme

sensibleadvice

red_devil wrote: »

The staff are called advisors and they should be advising and helping. What is the point of them otherwise.

Claimants are called jobseekers and should be job seeking. Otherwise is the point of claiming?

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

but you said you dont find many with an apply button because you havent widened your search on there. so maybe if you did you would find some with an apply button and they wouldnt all be on third party sites.

Helping others with the finer points of UJM, that training is paying off after all.

sensibleadvice

donnajunkie wrote: »

most people arent so stupid as to put negativity into an application.

Perhaps not intentionally but you'd be surprised how many look like they can't even be bothered going though the motions, reek of desperation, apathy and are littered with basic mistakes.

sensibleadvice

AP007 wrote: »

Admin? I was sure it was accounts

Do you work in accounts?

I have 20 years experience in purchase ledger and my roles were never junior. All were sole responsibility or the senior team leader.

I think you're reading too much into the AP Executive post title rather than looking at the duties which are quite junior admin functions.

I manage a distribution facility with £20m turnover. HO AP staff are articulate, numerate and experienced in the relevant systems. But their position is relatively junior and comparable with other admin roles such as procurement.

ETA, Just noticed they were asking for experience with SAP, did you expand on your experience on this?

AP007

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I think you're reading too much into the AP Executive post title rather than looking at the duties which are quite junior admin functions.

I manage a distribution facility with £20m turnover. HO AP staff are articulate, numerate and experienced in the relevant systems. But their position is relatively junior and comparable with other admin roles such as procurement.

ETA, Just noticed they were asking for experience with SAP, did you expand on your experience on this?

No the job title means nothing at all.

You obviously don't have AP staff who manage a payment run on their own of over £30 million a year then if they are junior to name just one duty.

If a job advert asks for a particular accounts system and I have used it I make sure that's in the first paragraph of my cover letter.

The advert says 'SAP system experience preferable' so although I don't have it I have experience with the following
Agresso, Sage Line 50,Sage Payroll, Pegasus Opera & Senior, SUN Accounts, Tetra 2000, Mentor,Microsoft Dynamics Navision (at the training/testing stage)

The advert also says 'Experience in an accounts team' and the reply to me from the company was they wanted someone with relatively no experience and probably someone looking for their first accounts job.

No where does it say this in the advert.

This is just one example of a job that says too much experience wont work for them. She said the job would be no good for my career! What career? I don't have one!
:mad:

sensibleadvice

AP007 wrote: »

No the job title means nothing at all.

You obviously don't have AP staff who manage a payment run on their own of over £30 million a year then if they are junior to name just one duty.

If a job advert asks for a particular accounts system and I have used it I make sure that's in the first paragraph of my cover letter.

The advert says 'SAP system experience preferable' so although I don't have it I have experience with the following
Agresso, Sage Line 50,Sage Payroll, Pegasus Opera & Senior, SUN Accounts, Tetra 2000, Mentor,Microsoft Dynamics Navision (at the training/testing stage)

The advert also says 'Experience in an accounts team' and the reply to me from the company was they wanted someone with relatively no experience and probably someone looking for their first accounts job.

No where does it say this in the advert.

This is just one example of a job that says too much experience wont work for them. She said the job would be no good for my career! What career? I don't have one!
:mad:

A packer could pack high value/volume items; that doesn't necessarily make the job a senior position.

From the ad I interpreted the job to be pretty much as they described it to you.

BillJones

donnajunkie wrote: »

most people arent so stupid as to put negativity into an application.

With the habitually unemployed, though, we aren't talking about "most people". We've already selected a group who are far from normal by that point.

I also susppect that some of the negative posters on here genuinely don't realise how they come across.

iammumtoone

sensibleadvice wrote: »

I think you're reading too much into the AP Executive post title rather than looking at the duties which are quite junior admin functions.

I am not an accountant however looking at the list of roles I have to agree they sound fairly junior and I am quite confident I could do them with a bit of training. HOWEVER we then get to this bit A degree and/or strong A-Level results (A-C grades) in numerical subjects this to me then stops it being a junior role.

Serious question do employers now need degrees or strong A levels for the junior positions? It highlights a flaw in my CV I don't even have A levels does this mean I now won't even be considered for junior roles :eek: I am aware of this shortcoming and like I said earlier I asked the JC if I could do a college course but was told no. The JC are only interested in people obtaining the equivalent A-C GCSE in maths and english. I already have these but I don't think its enough these days and it seems you are not allowed to better yourself more

BillJones

iammumtoone wrote: »

Serious question do employers now need degrees or strong A levels for the junior positions?

Where I need, if you want to join the graduate training scheme, I'd expect a strong degree in a good subject from a top university.

That said the graduate program is intended to train those who'll one day go on to senior positions, so it is not recruitiing people to a life-long juior role. On the other hand, is that not the case for most professional jobs nowadays?

I asked the JC if I could do a college course but was told no.

I don't understand this bit; the job centre do not give out college courses, colleges do. The job centre can no more stop you getting further qualifications than they can tell you who to go out with. You need to speak to the colleges direct.

MVG180

BillJones wrote: »

With the habitually unemployed, though, we aren't talking about "most people". We've already selected a group who are far from normal by that point.

I also susppect that some of the negative posters on here genuinely don't realise how they come across.

You've hit the nail on the head here. The way some of these posters talk is utterly depressing to read.

I suspect when recruiters are scouring through hundreds of applications these posters aren't able to excite or grab the readers attention as they exude negativity.