After the Work Programme

AP007

csmw wrote: »

A jsag shouldn't state how many jobs you should apply for, just the steps you should take. A decision maker would totally disregard it even if it was on your jsag

Mine does - it always has done. Others have this too at my JC

I have steps too which I can prove all the way.

csmw

AP007 wrote: »

Mine does - it always has done. Others have this too at my JC

I have steps too which I can prove all the way.

If you sent your jsag to a dm disputing it on that...you would win.

There is nowhere in legislation that allows us to specify amount of jobs to apply for

AP007

iammumtoone wrote: »

So how do you know that you have applied for enough jobs to avoid a sanction then? what figure is enough?

csmw wrote: »

If you sent your jsag to a dm disputing it on that...you would win.

There is nowhere in legislation that allows us to specify amount of jobs to apply for

So if someone has no figure the JC could say 'oh sorry we are expecting 100 applications from you a week'!!

Open to abuse I think by the JC staff so yeah make sure you have a figure in writing I say

csmw

AP007 wrote: »

So if someone has no figure the JC could say 'oh sorry we are expecting 100 applications from you a week'!!

Open to abuse I think by the JC staff so yeah make sure you have a figure in writing

As I said a figure makes no relevance. For example if your jsag said must apply for 4 vacancies a week. Yet there were 50 that were suitable and you could have reasonably applied for them...if that was sent to a dm you are highly likely to receive a sanction.

But hey what do I know.

iammumtoone

csmw wrote: »

If you sent your jsag to a dm disputing it on that...you would win.

There is nowhere in legislation that allows us to specify amount of jobs to apply for

But the same legislation is allowing advisors to refer to a decision maker because the job seeker has not applied for enough jobs! that doesn't make sense and seems rather unfair to the job seeker, if they can't be given a target to apply for, how can they be refer to a decision maker for not applying for enough?

(not getting at you personally, I don't expect you to be able to answer, I appreciate your input and time )

AP007

csmw wrote: »

As I said a figure makes no relevance. For example if your jsag said must apply for 4 vacancies a week. Yet there were 50 that were suitable and you could have reasonably applied for them...if that was sent to a dm you are highly likely to receive a sanction.

But hey what do I know.

And the JC are going to have all 50 job adverts for proof?

iammumtoone

csmw wrote: »

As I said a figure makes no relevance. For example if your jsag said must apply for 4 vacancies a week. Yet there were 50 that were suitable and you could have reasonably applied for them...if that was sent to a dm you are highly likely to receive a sanction.

But hey what do I know.

sorry cross posted, that does make a bit more sense to me now.

csmw

iammumtoone wrote: »

But the same legislation is allowing advisors to refer to a decision maker because the job seeker has not applied for enough jobs! that doesn't make sense and seems rather unfair to the job seeker, if they can't be given a target to apply for, how can they be refer to a decision maker for not applying for enough?

(not getting at you personally, I don't expect you to be able to answer, I appreciate your input and time )

Please see my last answer. The referral form we fill out ask the following which are answered by the customer.( general just of the questions)

1. What's steps did you take and what dates
2. What jobs did you apply for dates how etc
3. Did anything stop you looking for work.
4. What steps dud you take in the previous 2 weeks

The advisor then fills in the following

Does customer have jsag or claimant commitment
Why do you feel customer has failed to give themselves best chance of finding employment. Ie steps not taken on jsag
What roles were available for customer to apply for. Ie 20 on in 40 on indeed etc
How many steps is customer required to take
How many did they take

So as I said if chat applies for 3 jobs but there were 50 suitable they could have applied for it most likely go in favor of the jobcentre.

Hopefully makes sense as typing on my phone

csmw

AP007 wrote: »

And the JC are going to have all 50 job adverts for proof?

Most likely as that's required when sending to a dm

AP007

csmw wrote: »

Most likely as that's required when sending to a dm

I really do doubt that the JC will suddenly produce 50 job adverts as proof against the ones the person has applied for.

Would take them a fair while to gather 60 jobs adverts in a 14 day period when they barely have the time to sign people.