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burnleymik

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Eh?

Of course they will.

-Racists want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-The BNP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-The EDL want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-UKIP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

If you were a Racist or previous BNP/EDL supporter, then obviously you'll be inclined to vote for any party with a chance of success that shares your main aims.

Blindingly obvious.

And all the sophistry in the world from you Sampy won't change the fact that much of this surge in UKIP support is largely from racists and bigots.

There are an AWFUL lot of sweeping, irrational statements there Hamish.

Are you saying anyone who thinks we should have controlled immigration must be a racist by association?

Regardless of their motives, BNP/EDL members have a right to vote for whoever they choose, it's their democratic right, but to then sweep them into the UKIP membership because it is what you THINK, is just silly. They could have all kinds of motives for voting for UKIP or other parties, based on their own personal circumstances, you simply do not know and nor do I.

Graham_Devon

burnleymik wrote: »

Are you saying anyone who thinks we should have controlled immigration must be a racist by association?

This is about the level of discussion on the subject unfortunately.

When UKIP proved they can win votes, it was said that all of the votes were from racists and bigots. There were basically just more racists and bigots.

Unfortunately the discussion from some can't seem to move past this, so they are probably best just ignored.

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

No I haven't been. But that doesn't detract from the fact that they have CONTROLLED immigration, and as you have stated, it appears to have been very successful for them.

Theres a world of difference between controlled and uncontrolled immigration, and what UKIP stand for is controlled immigration.

Hence, it semms to work in Australia. You have only gone on to say how well it's worked in effect.

I don't know why people take such issue with us having control over our own borders. To me it seems insane for us not to have.

I don't have an issue with us having control of our borders, of course we should have, but using Australia as an example of what controlled immigration looks like suggests a lack of understanding. Sure, if a Brit wants a visa they need to pass a similar 'test' to an Australian wanting a highly skilled migrant visa to come into this country. However that is only part of the picture. Australia has many of the same problems that the UK has e.g. Mass exploitation of the student visa system and people overstaying temporary work visas. They also have significant illegal immigration. Further they populated half their country using uncontrolled immigration in the not too distant past.

Current net immigration into Australia is running at about 150,000 a year which given that their population is about 1/3 of ours, means that their immigration rate is comparable to ours.

Every time I go there OH's parents and relatives are all having the same moans that you hear from UKIP supporters here so I doubt Australian immigration policy would actually make UKIP suporters happy.

armour

This thread seems to have developed into an 'Ukip policy on immigration' thread. Has anyone had a look at their energy policy

http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_608_UKIP-launches-new-energy-policy.html.

Farage wasn't given an oppertunity to discuss this by Victoria. She was too busy playing mathematical games.

It's probably the Ukip policy which I agree with most. Can you imagine the boost to the economy if energy prices came down significantly, perhaps by half. Not only would industry get a boost, but domestic consumers, with an extra (perhaps as much as £500/yr if energy prices were halved) wedge of money would give a major boost to the retail sector.

Perhaps then immigration wouldn't be such an issue.

Sampong

armour wrote: »

Can you imagine the boost to the economy if energy prices came down significantly, perhaps by half. Not only would industry get a boost, but domestic consumers, with an extra (perhaps as much as £500/yr if energy prices were halved) wedge of money would give a major boost to the retail sector.

Gas prices have already come down by half in America where they have significant shale gas reserves, and we are expected to have similar.

This is yet another point of UKIP policy which tends to get dismissed as "a strange fruitcake obsession with wind farms" when in fact the reality is based on the fact that development of wind power is subsidized by higher energy bills.

armour

Where have all the ukip haters gone?
Could it be that they recognise that there is some value in Ukip policy, but can't bring themselves to say so?
I would genuinely like to debate Ukip's energy policy.
Convince me it's wrong.

Moby

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This is about the level of discussion on the subject unfortunately.

When UKIP proved they can win votes, it was said that all of the votes were from racists and bigots. There were basically just more racists and bigots.

Unfortunately the discussion from some can't seem to move past this, so they are probably best just ignored.

The point is though what else do UKIP have to say?They are all about immigration and Europe....everything else eg NHS policy, defence etc is just the same policy as the tory right wing. The only thing that distinguishes them is Europe and immigration?

Moby

armour wrote: »

This thread seems to have developed into an 'Ukip policy on immigration' thread. Has anyone had a look at their energy policy

http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_608_UKIP-launches-new-energy-policy.html.

Farage wasn't given an oppertunity to discuss this by Victoria. She was too busy playing mathematical games.

It's probably the Ukip policy which I agree with most. Can you imagine the boost to the economy if energy prices came down significantly, perhaps by half. Not only would industry get a boost, but domestic consumers, with an extra (perhaps as much as £500/yr if energy prices were halved) wedge of money would give a major boost to the retail sector.

Perhaps then immigration wouldn't be such an issue.

Is their energy policy called database cannot establish connection? That last bit certainly rings true!;)

Sampong

http://www.ukipmeps.org/uploads/file/keeping-the-lights-on.pdf

Sampong

Moby wrote: »

The point is though what else do UKIP have to say?They are all about immigration and Europe....everything else eg NHS policy, defence etc is just the same policy as the tory right wing. The only thing that distinguishes them is Europe and immigration?

Well the stance on immigration and Europe is a significant difference, only recently have the other parties started to even talk about the issue. Conservatives are trying to promise a referendum and Labor will offer a referendum.

There is the energy policy, on which the poster above has invited sensible debate. Clearly there is no more fun in posting alleged Nazi salute photos now that it has been exposed as childish attacks.

Other policies are not the same as the tory right wing, but all parties need offer an NHS policy which provides the best bang for the buck.