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Sampong

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

Other firms might have Polish drivers also? What are you going to do? Call a cab and insist they don't send a Polish driver?
Oh yes and by the way, don't send me an Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi driver either? :rotfl: Another UKIP voter I assume?

Another thinly veiled suggestion that UKIP are racist? I wasn't aware of a particular policy which discriminates against Indian, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshi's?

angrypirate

Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »

If they only recruit in Poland, and by definition only hire Polish drivers, they are breaching the law. You should report them.



Other firms might have Polish drivers also? What are you going to do? Call a cab and insist they don't send a Polish driver?
Oh yes and by the way, don't send me an Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi driver either? :rotfl: Another UKIP voter I assume?

Was that really necessary? You've consistently managed to lower the tone of this thread to childish insults whilst everyone else is having an adult debate.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

You would be a lot more credible if you'd just admit UKIP has a serious problem with attracting racists and bigots, even if you then went on to claim it was trying to deal with it.

But as it stands, this blind defence of UKIP in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just makes you look foolish.

Still waiting for the facts by the way to back up Hamish's assertion that BNP and EDL defectors have migrated to UKIP in great numbers - despite UKIP having a policy which prohibits any ex BNP members from joining (or any other extremist organisation for that matter).

This was several pages ago now, so judging by the lack of response, I take it no such evidence exists then?

wotsthat

Sampong wrote: »

Still waiting for the facts by the way to back up Hamish's assertion that BNP and EDL defectors have migrated to UKIP in great numbers - despite UKIP having a policy which prohibits any ex BNP members from joining (or any other extremist organisation for that matter).

Don't know about great numbers but even as late as the local elections Nigel Farage was saying it was possible that 'one or two' former BNP members had not only migrated to UKIP but were put up as candidates.

So policy and practice were not/ are not the same.

Sampong

wotsthat wrote: »

Don't know about great numbers but even as late as the local elections Nigel Farage was saying it was possible that 'one or two' former BNP members had not only migrated to UKIP but were put up as candidates.

So policy and practice were not/ are not the same.

Hardly a revelation. Of course it's possible, they just need to lie on their application form.

So it's possible then, that a small number of ex BNP members may have actually gained entry to UKIP. Is that what we're saying? Because the way Hamish was talking about it it came accross as being swamped with them......

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

Key words phrases are;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

a lot of them

which suggests great numbers......

and

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

have obviously migrated

suggests he has some kind of evidence, which so far hasn't been forthcoming and yet he claims that;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You would be a lot more credible if you'd just admit UKIP has a serious problem with attracting racists and bigots, even if you then went on to claim it was trying to deal with it.

He would be a lot more credible if he would stop making wild assertions with no facts to back them up. Even though he has no evidence whatsoever, none at all, he then has the cheek to say;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But as it stands, this blind defence of UKIP in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just makes you look foolish.

where is this overwhelming evidence?

wotsthat wrote: »

So policy and practice were not/ are not the same.

Eh? So first we have claims from Hamish that there are a large number of BNP members in UKIP. Now it appears this is not the case, so we've gone for smaller numbers now, and because it's possible that one or two may have slipped through the net, you now question the entire policy?

Have you ever heard the phrase - "clutching at straws"?

As one poster pointed out, this thread has been littered with pages and pages of carp of ludicrous attacks on UKIP, and none of the attackers seem to be able to engage in a reasoned discussion of UKIP's actual policies. They don't want to hear the discussion, they just want to shout the debate down by crying "bigots and racists".

Can you not see that isn't working anymore? It's failed. Give up.

Sampong

Here you go.

If you're a UKIP member, and discovered to be an ex BNP members, you are booted out;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/24/former-bnp-member-disowned-ukip

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

Hardly a revelation. Of course it's possible, they just need to lie on their application form.

So it's possible then, that a small number of ex BNP members may have actually gained entry to UKIP.

So it's equally possible then, that a large number of ex-BNP members may have actually gained entry to UKIP.

If all they need to do is lie on an application.:rotfl:

And of course, most racists will not be formal members of the BNP, or march with the EDL, or anything else.

That doesn't mean they can't vote for UKIP.;)

Sampong

OK first very important point to note, and the thing that glaringly stands out from your post - you still haven't posted any evidence to confirm your claim that;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I'll agree that Farage has said he doesn't want to attract the BNP and EDL defectors.... But talk is cheap.... and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party that still has a similar agenda re immigration, etc.

So moving onto your latest train wreck;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So it's equally possible then, that a large number of ex-BNP members may have actually gained entry to UKIP.

It's "possible" to be struck by lightning, but the odds of it happening are extremely unlikely. Likewise claiming that it's "possible" (albeit highly unlikely) that a large number of ex-BNP members may have actually gained entry to UKIP isn't the same as;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

and a lot of them have obviously

So this is not the case then - it's only "possible" (and highly unlikely).

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If all they need to do is lie on an application.:rotfl:

Question. Am I missing something? When you post a roll on the floor laughing smiley, does it give you special powers, and make everything you say come true? Because it looks to me like you have made incorrect claims with no basis in fact, and in the same way you try and shout rational debate down by crying "racist", you are now trying to hide your errors by laughing them off with a smiley.

I hate to break it to you, but when you make wild statements with no proof a smiley to back you up doesn't cut it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And of course, most racists will not be formal members of the BNP, or march with the EDL, or anything else.

That doesn't mean they can't vote for UKIP.;)

No not "of course" - here you are inferring that racists and/or ex BNP voters will now vote UKIP. Yet again, you don't supply any facts to back this up with the exception of the winky smiley but I don't think it's working........

Now lets look at some facts. Comres recently carried out a poll of 101 UKIP councilors for the Sunday Politics. This is a small sample size, but provides a meaningful insight into the former voting habits of UKIP councilors.

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/BBC_Sunday_Politics_UKIP_Councillors_July_2013.pdf

Con - 71%
Lab - 7%
Lib - 1%
None - 9%
Varied - 10%
Other - 2%

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

and a lot of them have obviously migrated to what is a more acceptable party

Where are they all then? Shouldn't the top 71% all be BNP according to your claims?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

here you are inferring that racists and/or ex BNP voters will now vote UKIP. Yet again, you don't supply any facts to back this up

Eh?

Of course they will.

-Racists want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-The BNP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-The EDL want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

-UKIP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

If you were a Racist or previous BNP/EDL supporter, then obviously you'll be inclined to vote for any party with a chance of success that shares your main aims.

Blindingly obvious.

And all the sophistry in the world from you Sampy won't change the fact that much of this surge in UKIP support is largely from racists and bigots.

Sampong

Recently a poll was carried out revealing 75% of people think that immigration is British society's most serious problem;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/13/immigration-british-society-biggest-problem

In addition, the Home Office recently surveyed local authorities and service providers to reveal that immigration was having serious affects oh social cohesion, demand for school places outstripped supply, social services are incurring higher translation costs, and our health services are impacted causing longer than normal waiting times for patients.

And it is fueling rouge landlords cramming people into overcrowded conditions, causing waste management and pest control issues, and some local authorities reported that destitute migrants were disproportionately involved in crime and disorderly behavior.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10158678/Immigrants-create-overcrowding-and-fuel-tensions-report-finds.html

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210324/horr72.pdf

Well that explains why 75% of people have major concerns about immigration then but according to you, if you want to tackle immigration and leave the EU it makes you racist because;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

-Racists want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

which automatically makes you a former BNP supporter because;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

-The BNP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

and at the same time support the EDL at weekends because;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

-The EDL want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

and obviously you will leave the BNP and EDL and join UKIP because;

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

-UKIP want us to leave the EU and reduce immigration.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If you were a Racist or previous BNP/EDL supporter, then obviously you'll be inclined to vote for any party with a chance of success that shares your main aims.

Blindingly obvious.

Yeah really obvious - NOT

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And all the sophistry in the world from you Sampy won't change the fact that much of this surge in UKIP support is largely from racists and bigots.

So 70% of tory voters then are racists and bigots. Right.

Can't win.:rotfl:

Thanks anyway Hamish. You've proved my point beyond doubt that you don't have any evidence to support any of your statements in this thread, and made it clear to everyone that you will always resort to the same tired old argument (racists, bigots, racist, bigots, repeat, repeat, repeat).