Had a Visit from TV Licence Man

Buzby

oldgrumpygit wrote: »

Perhaps you might want to do a bit more research yourself before dismissing this valid argument with your scaremongering.

"A TV Licence is required to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on TV, regardless of the channel and device being used (e.g. TV, computer, laptop, mobile phone, game console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder), and how it is receive (terrestrial, satellite, cable, via the internet or any other way). You do not need a TV Licence if you only use this equipment to listen to digital radio broadcasts."

From the TVL site My bold.

There are other examples of this being confirmed elsewhere.

Your confirmations are nonsensical and illogical for the reasons I previously explained. You could certainly claim in mitigation that they misled you, but the offence as stated, is proved.

Jamie_Carter

Buzby wrote: »

And where is this stated in the Communications Act 2000? If you end up in court, this defining legislation is used NOT any 'explanatory' leaflet from the TVLRO/Crapita/BBC.

Isn't it the Communications Act 2003?

I did start reading through it, but I fell asleep This is probably why many people just read leaflets that don't explain everything.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/contents

oldgrumpygit

Buzby wrote: »

Your confirmations are nonsensical and illogical for the reasons I previously explained. You could certainly claim in mitigation that they misled you, but the offence as stated, is proved.

I cannot find the relevant part of the legislation to which you refer.

Is it in the Communications Act 2003 or the Electronic Communication Act 2000?

oldgrumpygit

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

Reading above yes, it does indeed state a very long list of items that you can listen to the radio on.

It does not state you can install a TV without a licence, this is because the TVL website cannot change clear and concise legislation..

I would ask again, define install.

I have a television in one room, installed and connected to a Sky box, surround sound system and aerial.

In another room I have a television set installed and connected to a DVD player and Nintendo Wii.

Both installed one able to receive live TV the other not.

Kurtis_Blue

oldgrumpygit wrote: »

I would ask again, define install.

I have a television in one room, installed and connected to a Sky box, surround sound system and aerial.

In another room I have a television set installed and connected to a DVD player and Nintendo Wii.

Both installed one able to receive live TV the other not.

Crikey really not getting this?

So we know that in Part 4 of the Act (licensing of TV reception), “television receiver” means any apparatus installed or used for the purpose of receiving (whether by means of wireless telegraphy or otherwise) any television programme service, whether or not it is installed or used for any other purpose.

So if the TV connected to a wii and a DVD player has no aerial feed or tuned in TV channels then you have one installed as per above and one that is not, unless/ untill you connect the Wii to the BBC Iplayer for live feeds.

oldgrumpygit

Thank you

So to install a television receiver for the purpose of listening to radio must be ok because its purpose is not to watch live TV.

Cornucopia

Given that the BBC is the prosecuting authority, it would be very bad and hypocritical of them to prosecute someone who was merely acting on BBC advice.

That's not to say it couldn't happen - especially in light of their reluctance to elaborate on their interpretation of the law in this area.

Personally, although I think there are many dangerous and dubious aspects to licence fee enforcement, I do not think that the BBC are deliberating giving contradictory advice in order to set people up.

oldgrumpygit

Kurtis_Blue wrote: »

Yes as I said about three years back on the last page, as long it is not also installed for receiving TV channels.

But it would of course be "capable" of doing so but there would be no "purpose" to do so.

Cornucopia

I don't know whether there is a separate legal definition of "purpose", but in plain English, how can something be installed for a purpose it is never used for?

oldgrumpygit

Cornucopia wrote: »

Given that the BBC is the prosecuting authority, it would be very bad and hypocritical of them to prosecute someone who was merely acting on BBC advice.

That's not to say it couldn't happen - especially in light of their reluctance to elaborate on their interpretation of the law in this area.

Personally, although I think there are many dangerous and dubious aspects to licence fee enforcement, I do not think that the BBC are deliberating giving contradictory advice in order to set people up.

I think that the BBC struggle with an outdated legislation that has failed to keep up with technology.

It is easy enough to sit at home and watch many BBC programmes without the need of a licence.

The iPlayer is a great thing but it may well be one of the nails in the Licence Fee coffin