Pcn - out of trading hours

nigelbb

Tilt wrote: »

Also there has been no income either. Has it not occurred to you that the car park is provided for customers of the supermarket and nothing more?

If they don't want anyone using the car park out of shopping hours then a simple manual barrier with a padlock would suffice

Tilt wrote: »

And before anyone thinks I am pro PPC's, I am most certainly not. But if the OP parks there on a regular basis then IMHO that amounts to trespassing.

If the OP is trespassing then the legal remedy is for the landowner to sue the driver not for a PPC to issue a charge for parking.

Tilt

nigelbb wrote: »

If they don't want anyone using the car park out of shopping hours then a simple manual barrier with a padlock would suffice

Agreed but it's not always practical. Some supermarket car park entrances also serve as access to delivery vehicles which can turn up at anytime.

nigelbb wrote: »

If the OP is trespassing then the legal remedy is for the landowner to sue the driver not for a PPC to issue a charge for parking.

Absolutely 100% agreed. But i'm sure you see my point.

Tilt

Stroma wrote: »

This by the looks of things is for one ticket, and if they didn't want people parking there when the business is closed why don't they have a barrier preventing its use?

As I've just pointed out above, maybe the car park is also the entrance to the delivery loading bays?

nigelbb

Apart from being a bloody minded dog in a manger why wouldn't they want people parking there when the business is closed? It's difficult to see what harm might be done by casual parking & a convoy of travellers in caravans aren't going to be kept out by ANPR cameras.

Tilt

nigelbb wrote: »

Apart from being a bloody minded dog in a manger why wouldn't they want people parking there when the business is closed? It's difficult to see what harm might be done by casual parking & a convoy of travellers in caravans aren't going to be kept out by ANPR cameras.

Not sure. But maybe some people like to be asked for permission first? Bit like nipping into a pub to just use the toilet without spending a 'penny' and not asking first.

Just because it's there, dosn't mean you have the right to use it.

trisontana

Near where I live is an ex-pub which is now a veterinary surgery with a large car park. They have signs up along the lines of "parking restricted to staff and clients during working hours". In other words, out of those hours anyone can park there. That's a sensible arrangement that doesn't harm anyone.

nigelbb

Tilt wrote: »

Not sure. But maybe some people like to be asked for permission first? Bit like nipping into a pub to just use the toilet without spending a 'penny' and not asking first.

Just because it's there, dosn't mean you have the right to use it.

Given that people using the car parks at supermarkets & retail parks out of hours are also likely to be customers during shop hours it could be seen as just a nice service to the community. My local garage provides free air so you can blow up your tyres. Mostly people use it when buying fuel. Occasionally they don't but chances are they have bought fuel on plenty of other occasions but not pumped up their tyres. It's just good customer service. They don't try & charge people who aren't buying fuel on that occasion £100 to use the tyre pump.

Tilt

nigelbb wrote: »

Given that people using the car parks at supermarkets & retail parks out of hours are also likely to be customers during shop hours it could be seen as just a nice service to the community. My local garage provides free air so you can blow up your tyres. Mostly people use it when buying fuel. Occasionally they don't but chances are they have bought fuel on plenty of other occasions but not pumped up their tyres. It's just good customer service. They don't try & charge people who aren't buying fuel on that occasion £100 to use the tyre pump.

Not disputing any of that. But the fact remains that it's still private property and as such, it's simply polite to obtain permission to park there first I would of thought. I'm all for good customer service but it's nice to have good manners as well without taking things for granted.

BTW, my local Tesco petrol station charges 20p for air. And I spend well over £100 per week in the store and petrol station. But hey ho.

nigelbb

By definition if all the shops are shut then it's not possible to ask for permission. In any case just because it's private property doesn't make it off-limits. Under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 there is a right to roam on open uncultivated land that is privately owned including moorland, heath, mountain and downland.

Tilt

nigelbb wrote: »

By definition if all the shops are shut then it's not possible to ask for permission. In any case just because it's private property doesn't make it off-limits. Under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 there is a right to roam on open uncultivated land that is privately owned including moorland, heath, mountain and downland.

Oh PLEASE! Scraping the bottom of the barrel springs to mind!

First of all, if you wanted to regularly park on the car park, then I think any normal rational person would go see the store manager sometime when the store is open to get permission? Also, most stores I now have a telephone.

As for the "Under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000" bit... I havn't come across many supermarket car parks that are "on open uncultivated land that is privately owned including moorland, heath, mountain".