A BB Gun and a Minor Facial Injury

jellyhead

I'd hope that reporting the incident might get him some help if he needs it, or a wake-up call to what is appropriate behaviour if he was just showing off or trying to look 'cool' (or whatever term the kids use nowadays!).

Unless school assured me that he'd been referred to CAMHS, etc. I wouldn't want to just leave things as they are, because shooting a gun at somebody is a serious matter, and we don't yet know if he had taken it to school.

He might be trying to kill animals for fun. He might be using it as protection against something he feels he can't control by himself, such as bullying (not necessarily by your daughter) or something happening at home. We just don't know.

I can see why you want to take a measured approach, but unless school can assure you that he's getting appropriate counselling or guidance then it probably needs taking further.

ETA: Sorry, for some reason I hadn't read page 12 and didn't see your update.

Savvy_Sue

jellyhead wrote: »

Unless school assured me that he'd been referred to CAMHS, etc. I wouldn't want to just leave things as they are, because shooting a gun at somebody is a serious matter, and we don't yet know if he had taken it to school.

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I can see why you want to take a measured approach, but unless school can assure you that he's getting appropriate counselling or guidance then it probably needs taking further.

Sorry, but I don't really see that the school could give such assurances: it's absolutely none of the OP's business to know that another pupil has been referred to CAMHS or counselling etc.

The best I think you could hope for - other than what happens in a face to face meeting with BOTH pupils present - would be 'the matter is being dealt with in an appropriate manner.'

Or is it just me who would 'go off on one' if another parent was given confidential information about MY child?

I wasn't too thrilled when a teacher told me that one of my neighbour's children was on Ritalin, in an absolutely unnecessary manner (just chatting after school). Fair enough, it was obvious the child had some problems, but why did I need to know about them?

kaya

muckybutt wrote: »

read #222 bb guns CAN be classed as firearms if they meet the criteria !

In response to 1) just because they don't use explosive charges doesn't mean they cant be classed as a firearm.
My .22 rifle is a firearm (non licenced ) - its air powered by compressed air to 200psi, if the bb gun was firing over the legal permitted psi / ft/lbs then it would then be classed as a firearm as it would be outside the legal requirements and it would need a firearms licence.
My .22 has been detuned from 30 ft/lbs to 11.6 ft/lbs thus taking it below me needing a firearms licence to own it, never the less it is still classed as a firearm, above 12 ft/lbs then I would need a licence.

my air rifle is powered by compressed air and not an explosive charge as pointed out by this post it is above the legal 12ftlbs limit (40ftlbs) , that makes it a section one firearm requiring a section one licence to posess and use it , it doesnt have to go bang to be a firearm, but also im a tad concerned how this poster has managed to take a 30ft lbs firearm and detune it making it legal, if it was 30ft lbs previously the serial number would be on the firearms register as a section one firearm as stated in accordance with the law, i have never known anyone get an air rifle taken off of that register by simply "de-tuning" it to below 12ft lbs and notifying the licencing people, its not impossible but its a likley as my dog giving birth to a baby elephant!

muckybutt

kaya wrote: »

my air rifle is powered by compressed air and not an explosive charge as pointed out by this post it is above the legal 12ftlbs limit (40ftlbs) , that makes it a section one firearm requiring a section one licence to posess and use it , it doesnt have to go bang to be a firearm, but also im a tad concerned how this poster has managed to take a 30ft lbs firearm and detune it making it legal, if it was 30ft lbs previously the serial number would be on the firearms register as a section one firearm as stated in accordance with the law, i have never known anyone get an air rifle taken off of that register by simply "de-tuning" it to below 12ft lbs and notifying the licencing people, its not impossible but its a likley as my dog giving birth to a baby elephant!

There are quite a few air rifles that can be tuned one way or another, mine is an air arms s410 multi shot carbine ( pre tamper ), as stated it was a s1 firearm requiring a licence, the gun smiths ( H Crank In Leeds respected gunsmith ) it was sold back to where I bought it from have detuned it back to a non licenced air weapon to give it a wider selling audience. Some of the newer models cant be tuned ( anti tamper ) one way or another but my particular weapon was an early serial number so could go both ways if required. Quite easy to do actually and like wise easy to retune it if and when I go for my s1 cert.

Don't believe me google anti tamper s410
Unlike many I am a responsible firearm owner.

Richard53

Can we have an update?

jellyhead

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

Sorry, but I don't really see that the school could give such assurances: it's absolutely none of the OP's business to know that another pupil has been referred to CAMHS or counselling etc.

The best I think you could hope for - other than what happens in a face to face meeting with BOTH pupils present - would be 'the matter is being dealt with in an appropriate manner.'

Or is it just me who would 'go off on one' if another parent was given confidential information about MY child?

I wasn't too thrilled when a teacher told me that one of my neighbour's children was on Ritalin, in an absolutely unnecessary manner (just chatting after school). Fair enough, it was obvious the child had some problems, but why did I need to know about them?

I agree, you didn't need to know that.

I suppose I'm viewing 'being referred to CAMHS' as something that happens to lots of kids whether they are the bully or the victim, and you don't know if they're learning anger management strategies, or being given counselling for depression or strategies on how to deal with bullies, or being assessed for ADHD or whatever. So being told that he was seeing somebody isn't necessarily a breach of confidentiality if you don't know what they're seeing CAMHS for?

But I agree, being told that it's being dealt with in an appropriate manner should be enough. I'm just thinking in terms of the boy with the gun maybe having a bad time of things, and if he doesn't get counselling things might get worse for him. But that's a very one-sided attitude for me to take.

Savvy_Sue

jellyhead wrote: »

I suppose I'm viewing 'being referred to CAMHS' as something that happens to lots of kids whether they are the bully or the victim, and you don't know if they're learning anger management strategies, or being given counselling for depression or strategies on how to deal with bullies, or being assessed for ADHD or whatever. So being told that he was seeing somebody isn't necessarily a breach of confidentiality if you don't know what they're seeing CAMHS for?

But I agree, being told that it's being dealt with in an appropriate manner should be enough. I'm just thinking in terms of the boy with the gun maybe having a bad time of things, and if he doesn't get counselling things might get worse for him. But that's a very one-sided attitude for me to take.

OK, I can see where you are coming from, BUT I still think it would be a breach of confidentiality for the school to tell another parent that my child had been referred to CAMHS, and potentially very damaging for my child. "We have made some referrals" would be MORE than enough.

Obviously if I was the 'other parent' whose child had been on the receiving end of a serious incident, I might not feel the same way, and 'assurances' that everything was being dealt with appropriately might not wash. But really, I still think the school can say very very little! UNLESS they agree to facilitate a meeting of both children and / or sets of parents - what each parent chooses to say then is up to them!

Richard53

Two weeks since keystone posted an update. It would be interesting to know how this turned out.

MarilynMonroe_2

he pointed it at her face and fired....


definitly ring the police.

aliasojo

I was thinking about this thread the other day after I read this article.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/227569-ten-primary-pupils-shot-by-pellet-gun-at-gilmerton-primary-school/