A BB Gun and a Minor Facial Injury

keystone

Own_My_Own wrote: »

Totally agree.
And I think the op realises that it doesn't matter how many people on here agree with him, what his daughter did would be taken very seriously by the police. Whether the boy heard it all not she made a racist comment to the boy. Along with taking his scooter without permission twice.
The goody brigade may say it was larking about but the police call it a race hate crime, whether they like it or not.

Oh my giddy Aunt - here we go with this racism kick again. I find it quite baffling to be honest. The only real racism being generated in this matter is certain peoples heads on this thread. Is it because those proposing it desperately want it to be racism in pursuit of their own agenda. It is putting two and two together to make five. Where on earth is the objectivity in that? It's illogical and it's irrational. If she'd called him a b.... faced b.... to his face I'd have been marching her into the station myself. Unbelieveable mindset. I would have more respect for if it people were to say "It sounds like their might be racial overtones but lets see" if thats what they truly believe rather than just piping "This is racism" as a stone cold fact. Or are you still assuming that the boy is of asian/middle easter/arabic descent? I have already said he is afrocaribbean/white. How can she be racist if one of her best friends is also of the same mix an another is 100% afro-caribbean?

I tell you what then. If the Police (if/when they get involved) eventually do characterise what was said as "a race hate crime" then I'll come back here, eat humble pie and say so. Equally if they don't I'll also say so. In that case then I'll expect your public apology and one from everyone else who has peddled this suggestion.

Finally I do not expect everyone to agree with me. It would have been pointless generating this thread if I did. What I did expect and hope for, is rational thought and meaningful analysis. From certain directions I just ain't getting it.

JoJo was quite capable this morining of arguing an alternative view without resorting to hystrionics. Why can't others?

Cheers

keystone

Own_My_Own wrote: »

I didn't say it did. I simply pointed she said it.

You implied it the post you sent from your 'phone.

And it was a racist comment, used against a boy with ' a foreign sounding name'.

OK for the last time - how was it racist? I really am bored with keeping asking this.

You are going round in circles now aren't you.

Nope.

You know that your daughter was not larking about. You just can't admit it. She is 13 not 7, and at secondary school. At secondary school all pupils learn what racism is, but she still felt it was OK to use such language.

OK I'll leave you to your prejudices then.

You obviously know a lot more about the incident and are just not saying on here.

No I do not. What would be the purpose of behaving that way? I'm grateful that you know so much about what's going on inside my head as to be able to make that sort of judgement. I'm sure you have a great career in front of you a mind reader.

Which I think says it all really.

Please don't bother posting any more on this thread. You've made your position clear and you are entitled to and expressed your opinion albeit seemingly based more on imagination and speculation than anything else.

We are not going to agree but please don't patronise me.

Cheers

Funky_Bold_Ribena

keystone wrote: »

Just as I was thinking that the "burn the witch brigade" had gone significantly quiet along comes another. I've spent the last 15 minutes or so trying to write a measured response to this but regretably have come to the conclusion that I would be wasting my time.

So thank you for confirming that the insidious campaign to overturn the long accepted concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is alive and well in this country.

You seem to have decided based on scant evidence other than your own prejudices that the situation is thus and that based on this the boy is quite entitled to point a gun at someone and use it! !!!!!!?

Do you realise how apologist your post is? This is rendolent of the attitude that allowed Hitler to get away with it for so long.

Sorry - but there is something seriously wrong with your thought processes IMO. I'm sorry to say that you come across as a not very nice person tbh.

Cheers

Hitler? Someone gives a different response to the one you want and you have to invoke Godwin's law because you cant see that your daughter is a bully?

I'm glad we agree that the boy is innocent until proven guilty though.

I do love the comment that I must not be a nice person; it's not me that got shot in retaliation for racist bullying though is it? Now, I'd say that racist bullies are the 'not nice people' but it seems that most people on here feel that's ok. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you go around accusing other people of 'not being very nice tbh'.

keystone

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

Hitler? Someone gives a different response to the one you want and you have to invoke Godwin's law because you can see that your daughter is a bully?

Eh? So its OK for you to treat my daughter as automatically guilty and have to prove her innocence then and use that as an excuse to justify the boys actions. Thats what I mean by apologist and yes it was apologists like Chamberlain that enabled Hitler to do what he did..

I'm glad we agree that the boy is innocent until proven guilty though.

I just wish we could agree that it applies equally to both of them which would be the balanced approach.

Cheers

Own_My_Own

keystone wrote: »

You implied it the post you sent from your 'phone.

OK for the last time - how was it racist? I really am bored with keeping asking this.

Nope.

OK I'll leave you to your prejudices then.

No I do not. What would be the purpose of behaving that way? I'm grateful that you know so much about what's going on inside my head as to be able to make that sort of judgement. I'm sure you have a great career in front of you a mind reader.

Please don't bother posting any more on this thread. You've made your position clear and you are entitled to and expressed your opinion albeit seemingly based more on imagination and speculation than anything else.

We are not going to agree but please don't patronise me.

Cheers

Well what sort of parent doesn't try to get all the facts from their daughter ? You obviously. Or as I said are you just keeping them quiet.

You came on her and said A,B and C happened. Should I go to the police. 20 people say yes. You still don't go. Why ? Because you know D,E and F also happened ?


Ps, you may be the op, but you do not own the thread. Anyone can post on any thread.

LannieDuck

keystone wrote: »

At the risk of repeating myself I asked the question to get some advice on the matter. My first inclination was to involve the Police immediately and frankly I was a little aghast that both the Hospital and the School took great pains to tell me that they would not. My thought processes overnight then turned to what if its not that clear cut so I turned to here to ask for help in making that decision. I'll say again. I am not convinced that he meant to harm her. I'm not even convinced that he knew it was loaded. I canot agree, yet, that the use of the word deliberately is appropriate. Hope that clarifies.

Cheers

I realise you were after advice, and I posted because I had a very strong view on what you should do.

Even if he didn't intend to harm her (and I think pointing a BB gun in someone's direction when you've just been provoked is pretty strong evidence of intent...), what he did was still hugely irresponsible. What if he'd hit your daughter in the eye (even accidentally)? Would you call the police then? The fact he missed doesn't mean you should be any less appalled by his stupidity.

However, I realise I'm probably too late to the party for my view to be of much assistance at this stage.

prowla

It doesn't matter a monkeys what was said or not, there's no reason to take out a BB gun and shoot it at people.

OTOH, on the Godwin angle, imagine an alternate universe where Hitler had only had BB guns...

keystone

Own_My_Own wrote: »

Well what sort of parent doesn't try to get all the facts from their daughter ? You obviously. Or as I said are you just keeping them quiet.

Actually thank you for a measured reply and you ask a very pertinent question. I said earlier up the thread that I had decided to let the school handle the "what happened" investigation so I didn't speak to her further about into Tuesday or yesterday and I am not going to tonight either. Yes I have some information gleaned on Monday but at thats stage the school didn't seem to want to know. Now they do so thats the way I've left it because I might just be too close. It certainly isn't easy I have to admit and I'm finding the whole thing very stressful. I seem, however, to have got to teh stage where I have to do little myself but defend constant attackjs against me and my daughter

You came on her and said A,B and C happened. Should I go to the police. 20 people say yes. You still don't go. Why ? Because you know D,E and F also happened ?

Well the tone started to change quite dramatically when people got a sniff of what they have characterised as racism almost to the point where it was exactly what they wanted to here and a feeding frenzy ensued. It hasn't stopped either and thats what gets my back up. She has been condemned, hung drawn and quartered in a star chamber and that is quite quite wrong. If she's in the wrong it will be dealt with. I truly do not know how many times I have to say it.

Ps, you may be the op, but you do not own the thread. Anyone can post on any thread.

Yes of course I do apologise. But if I get attacked then I resrve the right to defend. Frankly I'm trired of it now so if the intention is just to keep attacking then please don't bother posting. Thats what I meant and it wasn't dictating it was a request if you'd noticed.

Cheers

peachyprice

Funky_Bold_Ribena wrote: »

Hitler? Someone gives a different response to the one you want and you have to invoke Godwin's law because you cant see that your daughter is a bully?

I'm glad we agree that the boy is innocent until proven guilty though.

I do love the comment that I must not be a nice person; it's not me that got shot in retaliation for racist bullying though is it? Now, I'd say that racist bullies are the 'not nice people' but it seems that most people on here feel that's ok. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you go around accusing other people of 'not being very nice tbh'.

Can you not see the irony of this comment? You really have made yourself look rather stupid as well as ignorant.

keystone

LannieDuck wrote: »

I realise you were after advice, and I posted because I had a very strong view on what you should do.

Even if he didn't intend to harm her (and I think pointing a BB gun in someone's direction when you've just been provoked is pretty strong evidence of intent...), what he did was still hugely irresponsible. What if he'd hit your daughter in the eye (even accidentally)? Would you call the police then? The fact he missed doesn't mean you should be any less appalled by his stupidity.

However, I realise I'm probably too late to the party for my view to be of much assistance at this stage.

Oh no not too late at all. Thank you for the input. Yes I am appalled by his stupidity but is it stupidity born of ignorance and playfulness or is it stupidity borne of wilfull intention to harm. Its a question of degree. Will it be a life lesson for him - I hope so. Is there any merit in dragging the boy through the courts when no harm was actually done. If actual harm had been caused then there would have been no choice but to involve the police instantly. At the moment we have a choice and that involves finding out why it happened. Despit a great deal of speculation and rumour mongering and making him the victim on this thread we don't know. What would be the point in risking turning him into a totally out of control teenage tearaway by exposing him to Feltham Young Offenders institution if it can be dealt with sensibly, responsibly and caringly. Please note that I still have not ruled out taking it to the Police. I decided to allow the opportunity for his parents to have some input first and left it to the school to facilitate that. Thus far that hasn't happened and I'm starting to find that a tad irritating. I'm of the view that I can't leave it muchbeyond tomorrow tbh and (for the benefit of certain others) if that means my daughter is also in deep dwang so be it.

Cheers