meter tampering

adouglasmhor

I am glad reading this that my gas meter is in a box in the garden and the reader has a key for it.

Cardew

ptwparkinson wrote: »

My comments in bold

Lance Armstrong sued and won loads of civil court actions.

From what I remember , Lance Armstrong was a disgraced American cyclist who was accused of taking drugs -- he was stripped of his titles --- protested his innocence -- but later on he confessed I think on the Oprah Winfrey show that he had indeed taken drugs during his cycling career .
Mind you ---- he must have made a lot of money because he bought millions of dollars of shares in a bi-cycle company .
I don`t see the connection between our case and his -- I mean I don`t do deliveries on a bi-cycle and I don`t do drugs !!!

You are rather missing the point, and your recollection about Lance Armstrong is incorrect.

He was an extremely successful cyclist for a long time. He was constantly accused of being a drug cheat over that period, which he constantly denied. He sued papers etc many times and was awarded, or settled out of court, $millions. Eventually he admitted his guilt.

The only point I am making here is that constantly denying you fiddled your meter, doesn't make your case any stronger.

ptwparkinson

The only point I am making here is that constantly denying you fiddled your meter, doesn't make your case any

it helps me to get it off my chest I suppose because the whole thing is stressing me out

chanz4

ptwparkinson wrote: »

my comments in bold

I guess they just refuse them access.

This might seem like a stupid question, but isn't swapping over meters and some of the other methods mentioned here pretty dangerous?

Are people risking their lives for this?

Extremely dangerous --- if you are using the hoover method you would have to from what I understand ( never done this so I could be wrong ) remove the diaphragm --- if you do this repeatedly you may damage the rubber seal which could result in gas leakage --- light up a cigarette and you are sitting on the far side of the moon . Not only are they risking their own lives -- they are risking the lives of other people and if there is an explosion not only lives but other peoples properties as well . Same danger for swapping meters --- there is a risk of gas leakage . Absolute stupidity . Don`t risk it anyone --- put on another jumper ---- get a duvet wrapped around you --- it`s healthier --- since we turned down our radiators ( a good few years now ) no-one in our family has had even a cold !!! Before I was married and after my first flat , when I had ton`s of money my heating was quite full on and I had at least 2 colds every year ! Try it --- turn down your radiators and find other ways of keeping warm -- like I said -- big jumpers and duvets or thermal blankets !!!

I understand that somebody might take a risk to steal diamonds or gold, but gas?

sacsquacco, chanz4 In terms of risk, what would you put it on par with?

Russian roulette with bullets in 5 chambers of a six shooter perhaps !!!

A dead family and a blown up home

[Deleted User]

Most dont refuse access, they just never answer the door.I get more than most because I visit the 2 year must read types either later or on a Saturday. The clever ones have got a camera somewhere to see who s at the door. Bg in their wisdom have just about stopped checking the prepay meters at all. They have gone to 5 year inspections, so unless the quadruple their RPU there will be no one out there checking the fiddling prepays. 9 out of 10 meters I find bypassed are prepays. Madness really, they are putting their balance sheet before the safety of houses blowing up or burning down

ptwparkinson

This is the latest e mail that I sent to Brtish Gas --- my point to them is that they can`t disconnect our supply until they have proven in a court of law that we are guilty of tamper and we must be given the opportunity to prove otherwise . I think that they are just playing games with us and trying to be clever and one of the only things that they seem to understand are bullying tactics .

We received a letter from Face 2 Face dated 05th December 2013 . This is another Warrant Notification .
British Gas cancelled the previous warrant and did not give us a reason why . I am asking the question why ?
On the Monday , the day before the last Warrant hearing was scheduled , I was constantly asking (text removed by MSE Forum Team) who would be in court on behalf of British Gas the following day . I needed to know because if you were going to be sending a heavyweight Barrister , I would have to do the same at short notice and we would have asked in court for the hearing to be adjourned until we had suitable representation . I think that is fair !
Throughout the day (text removed by MSE Forum Team) was saying each time that I rang that no-one knew who would be attending court on behalf of British Gas the next day .
At approximately 5.45 pm (text removed by MSE Forum Team) rang me to say that the hearing had been cancelled . NOT GOOD ENOUGH --- I HAD MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO ATTEND ---WHO DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE --- YOU ARE BULLYING SOMEONE WHO IS INNOCENT AND YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER .
It took a few days before confirmation arrived by e mail and surprise surprise ---- a few e mails down was an internal e mail timed at approx 11.58 saying that the warrant had been cancelled

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SO WHY WAS I NOT TOLD UNTIL 5.45 P .
The way that you are treating people , I am hardly surprised that the RPU turned over 30 million last year --- you are smearing your customers with the cost of gas and electricity theft -- but when you recover monies , do you give any of that back to your customers ????? The 30 million is a figure that was given to me by someone inside British Gas so it is only heresay for now and so this should be investigated further --- if it is that kind of money --- what are British Gas doing with it because they have already smeared the customer base to recover their losses !!!!****???????
In our takeaway , when we receive dud cheques , we don`t pass that loss onto our customers --- it`s a loss that we have to accept . Your alleged behaviour is unbelievably wrong in so many ways .
The last I heard , British Gas was preparing a civil action against us -- has there been any progress ?
Our defence will be calling (text removed by MSE Forum Team) the Police Officer who interviewed my wife and I, a representative of the CPS and anyone else who has had an involvement . Each person will be asked some very pointed questions and you must all remember that you are under oath and if it is found out later down the line that you said something in court that was incorrect, you will be prosecuted for purgery . The reason why I am this confident is that we did not do what you have accused us of doing and therefore , if you swear in court that we are guilty , you in turn are guilty of purgery because of the mere fact that we are actually innocent .
My wife just asked me to tell you that if you look at the daily readings which have been taken every single night since you installed the new meter , the readings correspond with our previous consumption . like I have said many times before , we are a very small takeaway and we just don`t consume what other takeaways consume --- SIMPLE !!!
The Civil case is going to take at least a whole day because we wish the magistrate to hear every word of our own evidence and to examine all of our previous bills and the last year of readings .


I am betting that I could do a deal with British Gas right now for say £ 500.00 and the whole thing would go away ---- but I won`t because we are innocent .


Last week we were visited by the council and RPU persons who were on the lookout for tampered electricity meters in the area --- they found no indication that our meter was being tampered . Like I have said before ---- if we wanted to tamper it would surely be safer to tamper an electricity meter than a gas meter ---- our electricity bill is much higher than our gas bill -- SO WHY DIDN`T WE TRY AND SAVE SOME MONEY ON THAT BILL --- however it would be equally stupid to tamper an electricity meter because of the potential for fire AND WE ARE NOT STUPID PEOPLE !!!


When this is over we are leaving British Gas completely . I know that you don`t really care because our business to yourselves is insignificant and it will be no loss . In my case --- it`s the principal !! I will also possibly start working for Utility Warehouse and every time that I am in contact with a potential customer I will tell them exactly what you people are doing . You can`t just put these disgustingly made TV adverts on our screens --- smiley cartoon characters to the sound of the ` A ` team absailing onto jobs without delivering good service and providing energy at the CORRECT price . And I know for one that your service is absolutely useless , which is why I cancelled all of my service contracts with you . I was probably spending £ 15,000 per year .
There were cases where myself or one of my business partners would go to an empty property to wait for the engineer and there would be no show --- this happened on several occasions and your excuse would be that there were no engineers available --- so why didn`t they ring and tell us -- we would jus sit and wait like lemons . Lots of other problems also . Wasn`t worth the money .

ptwparkinson

Another e mail that I sent today -- please note that the e mail at the end of this was dated 11 th Novemember the day before the warrant hearing and was timed at 11.58 am and I was informed at 5.45 pm !!!! and I had arranged to take a day off to attend court

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they are playing some sort of game --- it`s like being in the playground --- the whole thing is based on their lunacy !!! Anyway -- please read on :




So ---- here is the e mail timed at 11.58 on Monday 11 th November 2013 stating that the warrant was cancelled . So ---- why was I not informed until 5.45 pm . Where do you think I might have gotten this e mail . I do have more . I will present them 14 days before the Civil hearing to yourselves and to the court itself .
(Text removed by MSE Forum Team) has informed me today that the matter is out of her hands and that I should discuss with yourselves . She also said that you would be responding to my e mail of yesterday within a few hours and so I await this with the usual anticipation .
You don`t trust us and we certainly don`t trust British Gas ---- so --- we wish to leave you immediately and to go somewhere else now

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is this possible because we do not wish to give yourselves another yen of our business .
(Text removed by MSE Forum Team) also stated that you no longer wish to pursue the matter through the civil courts ---- forgive me if I am incorrect but I do not believe that you can enforce a disconnection until you have proven your case in a court of law and technically any disconnection should be deemed as an unlawful act. I am not in any way trying to be clever here but I would just consider this to be common sense . Also I repeat that the gas act states that disconnection can only be implemented against a guilty party

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irrespective of the very limited piece of " evidence " that you have ---- there is no proof that either I or my wife tampered with the meter ---- as I have stated before --- there can be photographic evidence , video evidence or witness statements about something that we haven`t done !!!
If we are being invited to the court on the 6 th January 2014 , I shall still be asking for the list of person`s mentioned in my last e mail to be present because they all have played an active part in this issue and are responsible to account to the magistrate for their actions so far and that includes (text removed by MSE Forum Team) who has now left but wrote to me before he went.

(Text removed by MSE Forum Team)

Sent: 11 November 2013 11:58
To: (Text removed by MSE Forum Team)
Subject: 958749+1215351

Hi (Text removed by MSE Forum Team),

This has been cancelled and the agent notified verbally, who will also receive an automated email later today.

Kind regards,

(Text removed by MSE Forum Team)

[Deleted User]

If you are with a BG business contract you are stuck with them until the contract ends , you must give notice of leaving 3 months before the end of the contract

trollopscarletwoman

sacsquacco wrote: »

Most dont refuse access, they just never answer the door.I get more than most because I visit the 2 year must read types either later or on a Saturday. The clever ones have got a camera somewhere to see who s at the door. Bg in their wisdom have just about stopped checking the prepay meters at all. They have gone to 5 year inspections, so unless the quadruple their RPU there will be no one out there checking the fiddling prepays. 9 out of 10 meters I find bypassed are prepays. Madness really, they are putting their balance sheet before the safety of houses blowing up or burning down

I know 2 electric meter fiddlers.

Both are retired sparks!

They both don't answer the door and have the meters in padlocked cupboards just so the mrs can't make a mistake.

ptwparkinson

to trollopscarletwoman


you should turn them in and report them because they are costing us all more money on our bills and at the end of the day --- it is thievery --- theft --- stealing ---- as I have said before on this forum --- if you cant`t afford the gas and electric on all of the time wear more clothes and wrap up in a thermal blanket --- much better for your health !!!