Facts and Statistics

Graham_Devon

TruckerT wrote: »

It's what you don't say which is sometimes more significant. If I were to buy a petrol-driven generator, some might say that I had built a power station!

TruckerT

Errr. OK.

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olly300

ILW wrote: »

That doesn't answer my question.
Maybe a South African would be offended, most black British would just consider it a bit old fashioned.

Yes they would.

Edited to say: Ken Clarke actually talks to "normal" people on a one-to-one basis. It's actually a shame that he doesn't actually say that he has in-depth conversations with people. One of my former landlords, a Black guy, use to have regular conversations with Ken Clarke when he was younger.

Then again I have regular conversations with other active old-school Tories. They tend to admire UKIP, other independents and even Lib Dems before they got in government as they don't (and didn't in the case of the Lib Dems) have to toe a tight party line.

Generali

As demonstrated in my reply to the OP, it is highly likely that the Chinese a building a power station each week given that their economy is growing each week by the same value as the GDP output covered by each UK power station although according to a Labour MP (John Ashton) in 2007 the Chinese were building 2 power stations a week rather than 1:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6769743.stm

TruckerT

"China builds an average of three new power stations a week; by 2030 it plans to add more power capacity than exists in the US, the UK and Australia today. This will require huge amounts of water for cooling and driving steam turbine generators. The country’s water resources are already stretched and climate change is making conditions even tougher"

That is a quote from www.china.org.cn. These numbers are plucked from the air, according to which axe you want to grind.

If statisticians were to begin to try to prove or disprove a link between GDP and power station construction, they would first need to agree on a definition of what constitutes a 'power station'.

If China has built more than three hundred UK-sized power stations in the last six years, then it should be possible for UKIP to tell us the location of every one.

TruckerT

CLAPTON

TruckerT wrote: »

"China builds an average of three new power stations a week; by 2030 it plans to add more power capacity than exists in the US, the UK and Australia today. This will require huge amounts of water for cooling and driving steam turbine generators. The country’s water resources are already stretched and climate change is making conditions even tougher"

That is a quote from www.china.org.cn. These numbers are plucked from the air, according to which axe you want to grind.

If statisticians were to begin to try to prove or disprove a link between GDP and power station construction, they would first need to agree on a definition of what constitutes a 'power station'.

If China has built more than three hundred UK-sized power stations in the last six years, then it should be possible for UKIP to tell us the location of every one.

TruckerT

bizarre


Surely anyone with more than one brain cell would expect China (a very large country with a population of ????) to have more electricity power generation capacity that USA (a large country with population of ?????), UK ( a small to medium sized country with population of ????) Australia (a small country. population not worth counting) by 2030.

And one would assume anyone with more than one brain cell would use power generation capacity rather than 'power station' as a unit of precise measurement;
'power stations' is used as a proxy for user friendly public consumption to explain why UK reducing it's standard of living to meet some politically motivated C02 reduction is pointless.

TruckerT

CLAPTON wrote: »

one would assume anyone with more than one brain cell would use power generation capacity rather than 'power station' as a unit of precise measurement

Tell that to UKIP!

TruckerT

CLAPTON

TruckerT wrote: »

Tell that to UKIP!

TruckerT

typical leftie; edits the quote so distorting the meaning.

TruckerT

CLAPTON wrote: »

typical leftie; edits the quote so distorting the meaning.

OK - how many power stations did China commission during April? Where are they? What is their generating capacity?

TruckerT

CLAPTON

TruckerT wrote: »

OK - how many power stations did China commission during April? Where are they? What is their generating capacity?

TruckerT

My post was about the general size of China's relative power requirements, based on their population, in the future.

I've made no claim to know how many power stations or how much power capacity the Chinese have commissioned in April 2013; indeed I doubt if such information has yet been published on the internet.

You have claimed it's a lot smaller than UKIP might have expected: so it's up to you substantiate that.


note I have quoted you fully without editing.

TruckerT

CLAPTON wrote: »

bizarre


Surely anyone with more than one brain cell would expect China (a very large country with a population of ????) to have more electricity power generation capacity that USA (a large country with population of ?????), UK ( a small to medium sized country with population of ????) Australia (a small country. population not worth counting) by 2030.

And one would assume anyone with more than one brain cell would use power generation capacity rather than 'power station' as a unit of precise measurement;
'power stations' is used as a proxy for user friendly public consumption to explain why UK reducing it's standard of living to meet some politically motivated C02 reduction is pointless.

CLAPTON wrote: »

My post was about the general size of China's relative power requirements, based on their population, in the future.

I've made no claim to know how many power stations or how much power capacity the Chinese have commissioned in April 2013; indeed I doubt if such information has yet been published on the internet.

You have claimed it's a lot smaller than UKIP might have expected: so it's up to you substantiate that.


note I have quoted you fully without editing.

I have simply stated that I do not believe UKIP's figure of 1 power station per week, nor Generali's figure of 2 power stations per week, nor the china.org's figure of 3 power stations per week.

Statistics are just numbers which can prove everything - power stations either exist or they do not exist, and there seems to be no evidence at all about the scale of China's expanding stock of power stations.

TruckerT