sold car that had 2 serious faults now had a bump

bigjl

I have read this thread and the OP's relative has gone from a Traffic Officer to still working with the Police to being a Firearms Officer.

Sorry something doesn't ring true here.

I am qualified to the equivalent of a Police Class 2 driver as I was on the FRU's for a couple of years.

Traffic and Firearms Officers are Class 1, pursuit drivers, the only ones allowed to use blues without a roof beacon.

That is one way to tell Robbery Squad from Flying Squad in London, Sweeney don't usually have roof beacons.

I just can't believe a driver as highly trained as is being inferred would actually buy a pup such as an auto Fiat Panda with that stupid semi auto rubbish and not know exactly his rights when it comes to buying faulty goods.

Sorry, but it doesn't ring true.

Maybe my years dealing with the public in a 999 capacity has made me a cynic.

If that is the case I apologise.

Just my opinion and all that.

Sounds like a case of "my mate has a rash on his family bits, what should be do!"

jay1181

thanks i will pass that on to them

Tilt wrote: »

You could ask a few questions on here to see if anyone has experienced the same problem.
http://www.fiatforum.com/panda/

I personally havn't driven a car with this type of 'auto' box, but I understand that it has different characteristics to that of a traditional automatic which may be 'strange' to those people who have only driven a normal automatic. This (apparently) has given an impression that there is a problem with the cars fitted with this dualogic gear box when it isn't the normally the case. However, if your neighbour's 500 has suffered a 'failed' gearbox, it will more than likely be covered under warranty. The problem then maybe with the dealer so it may be an idea for him/her to go direct to Fiat by using the 'contact' page here; http://www.fiat.co.uk/Showroom/#showroom/home

Fiat UK customer service are generally very good.

As for your issues, my previous advice stands.

Lum

If the courtesy car at the dealership is on a trade policy then its unlikely to show up on AskMID as the update process for trade policies is somewhat slower than for consumer policies, a two week delay is normal.

bigjl

Just to answer Portly Pig.

I do apologise if you have some form of disability such as Dyslexia which makes it difficult for you to understand the written/ typed word.

But I suggest you reread my post.

You will see that I did not at any time say I was a Police Advanced driver, but I am trained to the Ambulance service equivalent of Class 2, is that a difficult concept for you to grasp?

And this term "Ambulanceman" that you speak of.

What exactly is an "Ambulanceman"?

Not a grade that I ever heard of in my decade of service.

Did you see it on Casualty? Or Holby City?

Maybe that is what they were called back in the 60's or something.

I understand terms such as A/E Support, Intermediate Tier, Emergency Medical Technician and Paramedic though, but "Ambulanceman", sorry can't help you.

And I think you will find the standards of training within various Police For we in the UK are very, very similar.

One reason why they call them Police Class 1 and 2, rather than Essex Police Class 1 or 2 or Thames Valley Police Class 1 or 2.

I think you may well come under the blanket term of a "forum stalker".

You really have to stop answering my posts with drivel, it is not productive in any way.

You really don't like it when people know more or have done more than you have, do you?

Perhaps if you spent less time on Internet forums trying to cause problems you might have more constructive things to help you pass the time.

I now have plenty of time as I sacrificed my own personal health in order to better the life of members of the public who I didn't know and still don't know.

It is called selflessness I believe.

You might want to consider what you give to this forum.

I personally don't see much value in your posts.

Sadly people like you ruin many Internet forums, it is a real shame.

Tilt

bigjl wrote: »

I have read this thread and the OP's relative has gone from a Traffic Officer to still working with the Police to being a Firearms Officer.

Sorry something doesn't ring true here.

I am qualified to the equivalent of a Police Class 2 driver as I was on the FRU's for a couple of years.

Traffic and Firearms Officers are Class 1, pursuit drivers, the only ones allowed to use blues without a roof beacon.

That is one way to tell Robbery Squad from Flying Squad in London, Sweeney don't usually have roof beacons.

I just can't believe a driver as highly trained as is being inferred would actually buy a pup such as an auto Fiat Panda with that stupid semi auto rubbish and not know exactly his rights when it comes to buying faulty goods.

Sorry, but it doesn't ring true.

Maybe my years dealing with the public in a 999 capacity has made me a cynic.

If that is the case I apologise.

Just my opinion and all that.

Sounds like a case of "my mate has a rash on his family bits, what should be do!"

I was kind of with you on this until you get there. The same 'stupid semi auto rubbish' technology is actually used by a host of manufacturers lake BMW and Alfa Romeo to name a few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission

jay1181

ok
where to start

He works for a police force in the south of england he was a police traffic officer not one of those silly trafiic officers you get in england with yellow lights. (their house is in scotland but minutes from the boarder)

He got the job of a firearms officer about 5/6 years ago and has progressed thru that. What he does all day is non of my concern but he does drive with blues on to emergencies day in and day out. I didnt think i would have to explain my family in such detail tho as to what qualifications ect he has thats well beyond me.

This car was bought as a family run about not for him as he is at such a rank that a car is provided for him. as i understand it it was wifey that wanted this car as you could put a private plate on it and people really wouldn't know the true age of it (well normal people anyway) as for why they bought the vehicle god only knows.

Why i need to explain is beyond me but i tried to explain that he is a great driver and this lapse of of judgment will come back to hunt him i am sure.

As for what he knows and didnt know i get the feeling he really didnt want to make it official due to him having to disclose it to his senior eg the dispute the 2 accidents ect maybe i am wrong but his police life he is very protective of and he didnt want me posting on here as he only found out about me posting when i spoke to him earlier today.

thanks for the comment tho

OH and i must say i pmsl at the last bit i earn my money buying and renting out houses ect and drive a range rover we have learned the hard way over second hand cars ect and we always get an inspection BEFORE talking shop with a dealer and i wouldn't be caught dead in a fiat panda no matter how much i was paid as i live in the middle of nowhere and i am a big guy with a big belly and so is the misses (she will belt me for that) and i doubt i could even fit in a panda But thanks for that i had a good laugh.

Have a good night



Sounds like a case of "my mate has a rash on his family bits, what should be do!"[/QUOTE]

forgotmyname

How did it lurch with his foot on the brakes?

If he has to drive many different vehicles does he not check the clutch/brakes/gearbox?

I worked as a recovery agent, And taught to test everything like that. If it doubt winch it on.

NO Dukes of hazard jumps off the ramps. Crashing customers cars into the truck was frowned upon.

arcon5

Tilt wrote: »

Really? So this is all wrong then?

Your understanding of "fault" is what is flawed.

Buying a 9 year old car will have a few issues... as a result of wear and tear. We don't know of the cars mileage, service history, condition, the life expectancy of components in question etc.

SOGA states the following with regards to the terms implied by said act:

For the purposes of this Act, goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other relevant circumstances.

So back to your original point:

Under the SOGA, the seller is obliged to get it fixed, especially if it was only bought last Thursday.

It shows a significant flaw in your understanding of the law!

jay1181

UPDATE

Hi its was his wife that had the first bump shall we say. if you could call it that it was only a small scratch on another car. from what i was told she had to press the brake for to start the car she then went to indicate and took he foot off the brake to move out but the faulty sensor then applied full gas and she managed to hit the brake just in time or it would have wrote off both cars. both cars just had minor scratches they then sorted out repairs ect to the other persons car and left the car running.

Once it had been running for five minutes the car didnt repeat this fault. Its been in at a independant fiat dealer today and the faults are the sensor needs replaced in the gearbox, but they are just going to replace the whole gearbox (works out cheaper somehow)

The clutch needs replaced due to this fault as it has overheated and is cracked. The power steering pump/electric assist thingy needs replaced,as one of the dealers employees found out today the car will drive faultless for about 25 miles then bang gearbox goes to neutral and power steering locks up (the kid had a brown pants moment today according to the guy who phoned the sis in law) which means a new full unit to be put on the car.

The dealer didnt find any faults untill this poor kid took it a run on the m8 to try and get the fault to return. in the end the car was tailored back today to the independant dealer due to the kid nearly having kittens when the gearbox went right after the power steering locked up.

Garage has taken FULL responsibility regarding this and are paying for ALL repairs at a fiat dealer. They have admitted in writing that the car was faulty at point of sale as these are faults that are well known to all in the trade as the dealer put it.

They also will be replacing the gearbox with a full new unit and ecu/ ecm control unit as the fault was something to do with the sensor part weeping fluid out only when driving and causing the gearbox to seemingly run on reduced fluid thats why it started off small and within a short time frame got worse.

His misses still wants the car i am not so sure about him tho. But thats a matter for them to work it out with the repairing dealer ect.

If it were me i would be cutting my losses and maybe getting a new car 12 or 13 reg cvt auto if they planned to keep it awhile.

upon speaking to her this afternoon i kinda get why they wanted this car/older car (or should i say why she wanted this car as he didnt so i am told) that her logic was that she wanted an older car due to the daughter who has only been driving for about a year and a half so that the daughter would stop driving her car (also an auto ) I get the feeling that they thought if she had a bump ect then it wasn't a big deal if it was an older car ect

As the car they bought looked more like an 10 plate car it was immaculate no rust anywhere deep black shine alloys ect really nice to look at shame about the rest but as we say live and learn i dont think they will be doing this again anytime soon.

22000 miles on the clock and 9 yes 9 service stamps fully warranted mileage with an aa report dated august last year (just before the dealer somehow got it) serviced even tho it may have done no significant millage that year. I must have been a second car ect to have done so little mileage.

thanks for all the replies if i hear anything else i will update but i think it may take awhile to get sorted fully, and as i was only helping out as the person who was free to drive them that day my job is done.

Good night everybody thanks again

forgotmyname wrote: »

How did it lurch with his foot on the brakes?

If he has to drive many different vehicles does he not check the clutch/brakes/gearbox?

I worked as a recovery agent, And taught to test everything like that. If it doubt winch it on.

NO Dukes of hazard jumps off the ramps. Crashing customers cars into the truck was frowned upon.

andygb

Tilt wrote: »

I was kind of with you on this until you get there. The same 'stupid semi auto rubbish' technology is actually used by a host of manufacturers lake BMW and Alfa Romeo to name a few.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_transmission

But in all fairness, if you go on the forums, they advise you to stay well clear.
I would happily take BMW and Alfa manual boxes over all others.

If it aint broke, then don't try to fix it!;)