Labours Living Wage Plan Will Boost Economy - Fairness And Equality

grizzly1911

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

and they worry about their kids future.

Get them and education, a decent professional qualification or trade and a passport.

DecentLivingWage

a trade.. yes, well said... but which one at the moment? I feel sorry for all the kids that wanted to do a building or construction apprenticeship - I certainly wouldn't be advising of the ones I know to do just yet. Maybe just before Labour gets back in and kick starts an affordable home building plan - but I remember the days when a plasterers wages went up by the day!! Couldnt get one for love or money, and even the new Polish resident ones charged the earth!!

Moby

Generali wrote: »

When was the 2013 General Election? I must have missed it.

Labour's lead over the Tories in the opinion polls seems to have fallen from being consistently around 12-15% pts to being around 7-8% pts over the course of a few weeks.

I guess all those savvy, social media connected types have realised that the Tories are starting to deliver on the economy and Labour have consistently failed to produce any policies.

Oh dear.

I don't think it has ever been consistently 12-15% Labour lead though....the Labour lead has fallen recently and the explanation being mooted is either the Thatcher effect and/or that Australian, (Crosby) coming over and providing more focus to tory strategy? The lead is now 'possibly' edging up again?
Good independent site this:-
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Generali

Moby wrote: »

I don't think it has ever been consistently 12-15% Labour lead though....the Labour lead has fallen recently and the explanation being mooted is either the Thatcher effect and/or that Australian, (Crosby) coming over and providing more focus to tory strategy? The lead is now 'possibly' edging up again?
Good independent site this:-
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

That was where I got my numbers from too and I agree it's very good.

The Labour lead if anything is 'up' from 7-8% but bear in mind there is a margin of error in most polls of 3% so a 1% change is utterly meaningless.

antrobus

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

... Maybe just before Labour gets back in and kick starts an affordable home building plan -...

Why on earth would you expect that to happen? They didn't do that last time around.

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1980-1989 when Margaret Thatcher was in charge - 392,090

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1998-2007 when Tony Blair was in charge - 3,500

Number of council houses built in the single year of 2011 when David Cameron was in charge - 3,090

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Why on earth would you expect that to happen? They didn't do that last time around.

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1980-1989 when Margaret Thatcher was in charge - 392,090

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1998-2007 when Tony Blair was in charge - 3,500

Number of council houses built in the single year of 2011 when David Cameron was in charge - 3,090

Is that true? It seems amazing TBH.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Is that true? It seems amazing TBH.

Of course it's %^&%$ true! Do you think I make things up?

The numbers are from DCLG statistical releases - see Table 241 House building
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-house-building

Of course, I'm being deliberately provacative and concentrating on only LA builds and not taking into account HA builds as well. But even if you take those into account Thatcher built over twice as many affordable homes as Blair managed, and Cameron built 35,000 affordable homes in 2011 which isn't bad compared to the 25,000 average per year that Labour managed in its 13 years.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Of course it's %^&%$ true! Do you think I make things up?

Dunno. I do. I once went out with that girl from The New Avengers you know.

antrobus wrote: »

The numbers are from DCLG statistical releases - see Table 241 House building
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-house-building

Of course, I'm being deliberately provacative and concentrating on only LA builds and not taking into account HA builds as well. But even if you take those into account Thatcher built over twice as many affordable homes as Blair managed, and Cameron built 35,000 affordable homes in 2011 which isn't bad compared to the 25,000 average per year that Labour managed in its 13 years.

That is amazing. It shows how misrepresented the old girl was.

martinsurrey

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not true. Labour is only one component. Freight costs for shipping product back from China adds a considerable amount. So being competitive doesn't equate to the same level of wage.

Shipping 20 tonnes (20,000Kg) or 1 TEU of "normal" stuff from China to Europe costs about $1,100 so around £700.

Source http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/europe-to-asia-box-rates-to-defy-global-decline-in-2013-freight.html )

(FYI 1 TEU is a 20 foot container, with a max capacity of 20,000kg ish or 1,360 Cu ft)

If you assume that a stapler comes in a 5”X2”X2” box (inches) you can get 120,000 staplers in a TEU.

That works out as £0.0058 per stapler shipping cost (half a penny).

For mass produced goods, shipping costs are minimal in terms of the other costs.

martinsurrey

antrobus wrote: »

Why on earth would you expect that to happen? They didn't do that last time around.

antrobus wrote: »

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1980-1989 when Margaret Thatcher was in charge - 392,090

Number of council houses built in the ten years 1998-2007 when Tony Blair was in charge - 3,500

Number of council houses built in the single year of 2011 when David Cameron was in charge - 3,090

Can I just call you up on this one.

By the time a government implements a plan on housing and it filters through to build completions will be from 2-5 year – let’s settle on 3 just for this.

Thatcher came to power in 1979, and in the 10 years under her influence (1982-91) there were 418,650 ha/council build completions (average 41k per year).

In the 5 years before she was responsible (so build completes during 1977-81) there were 612,400, average of 122,400 per year.


using the same method for 2001 to 2010 for Blair we get 25k a year average, so again a fall, but not as big in % or number.

Looked at like that the numbers aren’t quite as rosy as you paint.

and if you look at the number of right to buy sales, which she introduced, it was over a million by 1987 and 1.3m by 1990, so there were 900,000 LESS HA/council houses after her than before.

I dont care about the argument, just wanted to clarify the data.